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“And you will probably all call me a vicious thug or someone with no compassion nor humanitarian spirit or even something much worse.” I call it pragmatic. And realistic. Every individual within the collective masses has made their choices as surely as any of us. Hard to feel much sympathy for the populations that contributed the most to the global problem set and did the least to address it (though individually much may vary of course). Nonetheless the indefinite future – for all those people yet to come – is still to play for, though I too think that time to prepare an opening gambit is now very short. Regards, Douglas From: Discussion list for the Crisis Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kevin Coleman Sent: 26 March 2013 15:04 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Heading For A Different Planet: Global Warming, Propaganda-Journalism And The Definition Of Insanity Hi David, In response to the article you kindly posted I proffer my view which I will say without reservation is somewhat critical of humanity. Not of you though. :-) 'So what's new? We already know this. People are being sold the ultimate dream of fame, fortune and fabulous wealth all the time. The last thing the corporations want is some fly in the ointment climate scientist spoiling the dream. After all dreams make money for the dream maker and cost the dreamer money but the dream is so lucid that you could almost touch it and so the people keep dreaming and paying and the dream makers keep making money. Ad infinitum. Hence why there are no climate science programs or debates on a regular basis. Meanwhile back on the ranch we keep shouting until our voices are hoarse and can no longer be heard. And no one is really listening anyway. Time to change tactics maybe and ask oneself if these people who we want to convince of the truth, so readily fooled by the dream makers, are really worth the effort. Or whether the end result of climate change will be sufficiently harsh to rid the planet of the dream makers and their idiotic followers and still leave a planet in a state where it is survivable on by the few that have made the real efforts to deal with the problems and those that have got wise at the last minute and bailed out of the cities and towns? Sounds cruel I know but lets face it we are fighting ourselves on here all the time and the population of subscribers has not increased by much in all the time I have been a subscriber. So tell me this, have we actually convinced enough people in our time about climate change to actually bring about global change? I don't think so. So back to the original point I was making in another thread about teaching those who don't know what to do. That was referring to a situation that had gone beyond saving the human edifices and basically going about picking up the pieces of humanity instead. No mention of press and media there. No concerns about what the latest on the twitter feed said. All that would be gone for as long as we have left to live. Dust and ashes. Instead we would have the monumental task of rebuilding society from scratch. Yes it would be from scratch because what was/is left behind would be infested with whatever brought down humanity in its very last moments. Rats, disease and the last vestiges of humanity, hell bent on gorging itself on whatever it can find in the rubble before it too finally expires. After all a war can leave things in quite a mess but humans can to a certain extent survive......until the means to do so expire. Water anyone? Then there would be the survivors with no idea how to survive wandering the wasteland. Now these might be worth saving. Worth the effort. After all I am not, contrary to popular belief, selfish or cruel. No I am a realist who sees what is and acts accordingly. These few who decided to walk out of the ruins may well be worth the effort and then again they may be switched on bands of marauders hell bent on taking whatever they can find.......but lets not judge them until we know for sure. And to know we only have to watch from a distance to see what they do. You cannot save those that do not want to be saved. And you will probably all call me a vicious thug or someone with no compassion nor humanitarian spirit or even something much worse. Well you would be wrong. I have as much care and concern for the planet as anyone but I don't follow the dream makers. I tread my own path and I am but one person. I have tried to contribute to the debate. Tried to convince the masses bit by bit, person by person, day by day. Unfortunately I am not a time lord nor a great teacher nor do I have the luxury of limitless resources to teach with but I do know what really is worth trying and its not banging my head against a brick wall until my ears bleed. That is the path of despair and defeat. Its long overdue to try something else. Something less palatable but no less important admittedly. Besides the people have long since given up listening simply because to them the situation is not their fault and the powers that be (dream makers) will put it right. Right now the economy is all important and we cannot survive without a viable economy. Not a hope without 'sustainable economic growth'. (Oxymoron) That is what the dream makers tell the masses and they believe them. The plain truth is the planet is overpopulated despite what we think. It wouldn't be if it wasn't for those dream makers who sell everything twice over to the ones with the money while ripping off those three times over who are without. Thus making their profit inbetween. The disparity of food, shelter, water and wealth among the people of planet Earth are what makes the current population levels unsustainable hence 'over populated'. If things were properly distributed equitably across the entire planet then we would be able to sustain the current population and then some. But unlike our recently retired science minister (unelected) the population will not reach 8 billion any time soon, simply because the infrastructure is not there to do it or sustain it. Climate change is happening (we all know this already so forgive the teaching of granny) and hence crops will fail everywhere including here in the UK and over there in the US and we will be going cap in hand to these developing nations with the right climate for growing stuff wanting to exchange worthless money for useful food. Think its going to happen? Do you think these developing nations will take the proffered coinage? Think again because most of these developing nations are as vulnerable to climatic changes as we are and most of them will be aware of the shortages we have endured and the causes so they will demand higher payments and it won't be in coins of the realm. Instead we will see the start of the decline of humanity. The end of the dreams and the beginning of chaos. Because despite us not having the food, they don't have the weapons. And that is where we are now. At the very beginning of chaos. Watch if it doesn't start to happen this year. Regards Kev C On 26/03/2013 17:29, David Cromwell wrote: Hello Folks, The latest media alert from Media Lens might be of interest... Best wishes David --- 26 March 2013 <http://www.medialens.org/index.php?option=com_acymailing&no_html=1&ctrl=url&urlid=2123&mailid=216&subid=699> <http://www.medialens.org/index.php?option=com_acymailing&no_html=1&ctrl=url&urlid=2123&mailid=216&subid=699> Heading For A Different Planet Global Warming, Propaganda-Journalism And The Definition Of Insanity By David Cromwell The <http://www.medialens.org/index.php?option=com_acymailing&no_html=1&ctrl=url&urlid=2173&mailid=216&subid=699> systematic propaganda of the corporate media - its deep-rooted antipathy towards upholding proper journalistic standards in the public interest - extends to its coverage of human-induced climate change. The Independent recently delivered a masterpiece of <http://www.medialens.org/index.php?option=com_acymailing&no_html=1&ctrl=url&urlid=2124&mailid=216&subid=699> headline obfuscation with: 'World cools on global warming as green fatigue sets in.' The news report said: 'Only 49 per cent of people now consider climate change a very serious issue – far fewer than at the beginning of the worldwide financial crisis in 2009.' As usual, there was no mention of the role of the corporate media as a leading cause of why 'green fatigue' has supposedly set in. No mention of the media's shameful failure to explore root causes of the climate crisis, not least the <http://www.medialens.org/index.php?option=com_acymailing&no_html=1&ctrl=url&urlid=2178&mailid=216&subid=699> elite-serving corporate globalisation that has taken humanity to the brink of disaster. Chris Shaw, a social sciences researcher at the University of Sussex, <http://www.medialens.org/index.php?option=com_acymailing&no_html=1&ctrl=url&urlid=2125&mailid=216&subid=699> noted on Twitter that nor was there 'any mention of the work of the merchants of doubt, paid for and acting on the behalf of corporate interests'. Ironically, science writer Joe Romm of the indispensable <http://www.medialens.org/index.php?option=com_acymailing&no_html=1&ctrl=url&urlid=1971&mailid=216&subid=699> Climate Progress blog had exposed the myth of 'green fatigue' in a <http://www.medialens.org/index.php?option=com_acymailing&no_html=1&ctrl=url&urlid=2126&mailid=216&subid=699> piece a few days earlier: 'The two greatest myths about global warming communications are 1) constant repetition of doomsday messages has been a major, ongoing strategy and 2) that strategy doesn't work and indeed is actually counterproductive!' Romm's powerful rebuttal noted that 'blunt, science-based messaging that also makes clear the problem is solvable' has a demonstrable effect in stimulating public concern about climate. His piece listed 8 key points about the mostly poor standard of climate coverage in the media, as well as the incessant pro-business propaganda to which the US public is subjected (likewise in the UK and other 'developed' countries). Some of Romm's key points are: • 'There is not one single TV show on any network devoted to this subject [climate change], which is, arguably, more consequential than any other preventable issue we face.' • 'The public is exposed to constant messages promoting business as usual and indeed idolizing conspicuous consumption...' • 'The major energy companies bombard the airwaves with millions and millions of dollars of repetitious pro-fossil-fuel ads. The environmentalists spend far, far less money.' Not only is the so-called 'mainstream' media uninterested in addressing the climate catastrophe looming right in front of us, it is simply not equipped to do so. This is obvious when one recalls that the media isn't actually 'mainstream', if by that word we mean representing majority public interests. It's <http://www.medialens.org/index.php?option=com_acymailing&no_html=1&ctrl=url&urlid=2127&mailid=216&subid=699> corporate media: owned and operated by elite interests - government, financial, business – that are structurally driven by the 'need' for control, profit and accumulation. Full article: http://medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/alerts-2013/726-heading-for-a-different-planet-global-warming-irrefutable-science-and-the-failure-of-journalism.html -- "Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare." Japanese Proverb