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Depending on the circumstances and what you are trying to achieve, I think that by using the method of giving them 100 marks to allocate among their peers and by getting them to only mark their peers and not themselves, you can bypass this issue to some extent. Because everyone is allocating 100 marks, it is just a matter of choosing how you will distribute the marks, and by not getting them to include themselves in the assessment, you avoid them penalising themselves. On 07/02/2013 12:13, Clare Hopkins wrote: > > Dear list members > > Thank you all very much for your interesting responses to my query. I > was struck by Lynette's impression that some of her students from > China and Singapore find the process of critically assessing both > themselves and their peers uncomfortable as the very small group of > students in whom we noticed some discomfort/reluctance (only five so > certainly not sufficient to be seen as a trend) were also mainly from > this region. Teams in this large first year group of students are > staff allocated rather than self-selected as is the case with > Lynette's students. I would be most grateful to hear any other > thoughts or reflections which occur to you on this subject either now > or on future uses of Web-PA. > > Many thanks > > Clare > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* WebPA [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Lynette Johns-Boast > [[log in to unmask]] > *Sent:* 05 February 2013 19:12 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: international students > > I have been following this discussion with interest. I have been using > a branched version of Web-PA for two years with 70-80 3rd and 4th > (final) year software engineering / information technology students. > (Prior to that for 2 years I was using a manual system that very > closely approximates Web-PA.) I do not know the percentage of > international students (not something that as a lecturer I am given > access to) but going on English language ability, I believe it would > be 25-30%. > > We ask students to both self- and peer-assess. My *impression *(as I > have not attempted any analysis of the data) is that the international > students, especially those from China and Singapore do not / are > unable / are unwilling to critically assess both themselves and their > peers. This is especially evident in the open text performance > feedback we collect. Their numeric (5 point likert scale) and text > feedback is very uniform across the team of 5-6 students. I have not > noticed that they are harder on themselves than others in the team. If > I get a team (they self-select) where there is 50% non-English > speaking background and especially mainland Chinese, then my > impression is that they tend to assess each other more highly than may > be warranted (judged by other means of assessment and their other > background team mates). > > If this is categorised as "reluctance" then yes I have encountered it. > I suspect in my case it is because they do not understand (language > difficulties and cultural differences) how the peer assessed ratings > are used to calculate individual marks from team marks. I have > attempted to sit down with them and explain how it is used, but the > students don't show up. > > Cheers > Lynette > > > > On 6/02/2013 01:54, Clare Hopkins wrote: >> >> Hi Keith >> >> Thanks for your response. Web-PA was recently used to request >> formative peer assessment between team members (team size 5 or 6) >> in a large first year group (120) of engineering students when they >> had been working together for only 6 weeks. This was largely very >> helpful to them in highlighting areas for change/improvement. However >> we gained the *impression* (nothing stronger than that) that a small >> number of international students in this UK setting were being quite >> hard on themselves both in the numerical mark they self-awarded (only >> two criteria - attendance and quality of contribution) and in their >> narrative self-evaluations. The feedback these students received >> from their peers was much more appreciative. Not all the >> international students taking part rated themselves in this way. >> We wondered if, had this been later in the year, these >> students' self-evaluations might have been different. >> >> My request to the list was to find out if anyone had noticed anything >> similar. >> >> Thanks >> >> Clare >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* WebPA [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Keith Pond >> [[log in to unmask]] >> *Sent:* 05 February 2013 14:07 >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Subject:* Re: international students >> >> Hi Clare. >> >> As with much “research” I have accumulated data on using Web_pa with >> students in Singapore – but it has yet to be written up. >> >> I expected reluctance but actually found more engagement than with Uk >> based students on similar modules. I was specifically testing out >> the text comments used in the newer version and the yet to be >> released feedback loop that I have been working on and have some data >> on each. >> >> What exactly do you need to know? >> >> */Keith/* >> >> Keith Pond >> >> Associate Dean (Teaching) >> >> School of Business and Economics, Loughborough University, >> >> LOUGHBOROUGH, LE11 3TU, United Kingdom. >> >> +44(0)1509 223290 >> >> Skype:keith.pond1 >> >> http://tinyurl.com/keithpond >> >> ** >> >> *Follow us on Twitter: @LboroSBE <https://twitter.com/> // >> @LoughboroughMBA <https://twitter.com/>* >> >> *P****Please consider the environment - do you really need to print >> this e-mail?* >> >> This e-mail is intended only for the above addressee. It may contain >> privileged information. All statements and opinions in this e-mail >> are made without liability and without prejudice. If you are not the >> addressee you must not copy, distribute, disclose or use any of the >> information in it. If you have received it in error please delete it >> and notify the sender immediately. >> >> Description: teamgb-bse2011 >> >> *From:*WebPA [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Clare Hopkins >> *Sent:* 05 February 2013 13:49 >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Subject:* international students >> >> Dear list members >> >> I would be most interested to hear the perspectives of the experience >> of list members of international students using Web-PA. I am defining >> 'international' students as those who come from outside the EU. >> >> Has anyone encountered any relectance of international students to >> use Web-PA? Or have you found that this student group rate themselves >> or others differently from other groups? >> >> Many thanks >> >> Clare Hopkins >> >> Research Assistant >> > > -- > ==================================================== > Lynette Johns-Boast > Lecturer > Research School of Computer Science > The ANU College of Engineering and Computer Science > CS&IT Building 108 > The Australian National University > Canberra ACT 0200 Australia > > T: +61 2 6125 4526 > F: +61 2 6125 0010 > M: +61 405 611 859 > W:http://cecs.anu.edu.au > > Available Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday