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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Thanks, Stan. Your explanation makes perfect sense of what I saw in my browse through the AAS, especially for 20th-C documents. It would be interesting to know how far back the chancery started using modern dating for routine documents. If it were more important and I had the time, I would dig more deeply than the Vatican’s on-line acta, which start in 1865. But this search is in aid of a toss-away footnote and doesn’t need to be more accurate than “19th century.” Best, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Metheny" <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 3:05:29 PM Subject: Re: [M-R] Papal dating medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Not surprising that it is retaine d in the can onization act a because we still cha nt the date in the Roman system e ach day at the start of the Martyrology. Stan Metheny > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 14:49:21 -0500 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [M-R] Papal dating > To: [log in to unmask] > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Thanks for that good lead, Maureen. It did the trick. Browsing through the Acta Apostolicae Sedis, it appears that the Vatican used the Roman system of dating with some frequency in very formal or ceremonial documents even late into the nineteenth century (1880s). It still occasionally appears today, usually in acta dealing with the canonization of saints. > > Best, > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MAUREEN Tilley [Staff/Faculty [FCLC]]" <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 11:00:18 AM > Subject: Re: [M-R] Papal dating > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I am unable to answer directly but suggest that the transition might be traced by reading the ends (datings) of documents published in Acta Apostolicae Sedis , availbale in many academic and R.C. diocesan libraries. > > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 10:00 PM, John Shinners < [log in to unmask] > wrote: > > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Does anyone know when the Vatican stopped routinely dating offical documents according to the Roman civil calendar (Kalends, Nones, Ides)? I've seen a 1954 commenmorative medal for Pius X's canonization dated "IV Kal. IUN" but the 20th-century encyclicals, etc.that I've browsed all use modern dating. > > Thanks, > John > > -- > John Shinners > Professor, Schlesinger Chair in Humanistic Studies > Saint Mary's College > Notre Dame, Indiana 46556 > Phone: 574-284-4494 or 574-284-4534 > Fax: 284-4855 > www.saintmarys.edu/~hust > > "Learn everything. Later you will see that nothing is superfluous." -- Hugh of St. Victor (d. 1141) > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > > > -- > > Maureen A. Tilley > Professor of Theology and Medieval Studies > Fordham University > 113 West 60th Street > New York, NY 10023 ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > -- > John Shinners > Professor, Schlesinger Chair in Humanistic Studies > Saint Mary's College > Notre Dame, Indiana 46556 > Phone: 574-284-4494 or 574-284-4534 > Fax: 284-4855 > www.saintmarys.edu/~hust > > "Learn everything. Later you will see that nothing is superfluous." -- Hugh of St. Victor (d. 1141) > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html -- John Shinners Professor, Schlesinger Chair in Humanistic Studies Saint Mary's College Notre Dame, Indiana 46556 Phone: 574-284-4494 or 574-284-4534 Fax: 284-4855 www.saintmarys.edu/~hust "Learn everything. 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