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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Dear Rabia, I realize that your query is about textual rather than visual interpretations, but-- looking closely at the Albertina drawing, I see a slight gap between the lips of Jesus and Judas. This image would then fit into your category of "close, looking at one another, as if about to kiss on the mouth, or just having pulled apart". This is the same way that the scene is depicted on some fourteenth-century ivories. See one example in my archive, from the first half of the fourteenth century: http://www.kornbluthphoto.com/PassionChrist.html row 3 image 4. The major difference between this and the Dürer image is not the distance between the figures, but rather the angle from which we see them. For more examples, see http://www.gothicivories.courtauld.ac.uk/ where you can do a quick search for 'Judas kiss' and get 425 photos. best, Genevra On 2/15/2013 8:59 PM, Gregory, Rabia wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Dear all, > > I am currently hunting references to the kiss between Jesus and > Judasand would appreciate your assistance. I am particularly > interested in literary accounts which specify whether or not Judas and > Jesus kissed on the lips/mouth. My interest in this iconography began > with a commentary on the Song of Songs by the German layman Brun von > Schönebeck, which contrasts the kiss on the lips in the biblical text > with Judas's false kiss on the cheek, and bydepictions of the Arrest > as an intimate kiss on the lips by > > > Albrecht Dürer > > - the earliest example is his 1503 ink drawing from the Green Passion > (Albertina Inv. > > > 3085 > > http://sammlungenonline.albertina.at/?id=tms_39298 ) but this kiss on > the lips is repeated in the Small Passion facing a Latin verse > insisting that Judas did not actually kiss Christ at all! > > I'm no art historian, but from what I've seen, most authors and > artists present the kiss as either on the cheek or the pair looking > at one another or being pulled apart. There is a subset of images > which portray the two as close, looking at one anothe, as if about to > kiss on the mouth, or just having pulled apart, but the kiss on the > mouth seems very uncommon. At this point in my research, I have > consulted medieval and patristic commentaries on Mark, Matthew, and > the Song of Songs, the Glossa Ordinaria on the relevant passages, read > a few passion sequences and Ludolf of Saxony's Life of Christ, as well > as browsing through as many digitized versions of the kiss as the > internet has revealed, but have not yet found much precedent for the > kiss on the mouth between Jesus and Judas. I am about to start reading > through MHG sermons dating to easterweek. So far, most authors leave > the manner of kissing unaddressed, or describe it as a kiss on the > cheek or a kiss blocked by Judas's beard.Few other artists have > repeated the kiss on the lips-- most of those are imitators of AD > himself, and many of his imitators, including Caravaggio, rewrite the > kiss. > > Does anyone perhaps have references to the kiss as either explicitly a > kiss on the cheek or a kiss on the lips in medieval sermons or > biblical commentaries? I am particularly interestd in sources that > might have been known to Dürer, or in examples which might help > explain the significane of a kiss on the lips in the context of > betrayal. I understand that the Greek text in Mark (and repeated in > Matthew) uses kataphilew, which might be read as an intensifier, and > it is plausible that the kiss on the lips reflects some sort of > familiarity with the Greek text amont Nuremburg humanists, but this is > just wild speculation so far. Any leads would be most welcome! > > Thanks so much > > -Rabia > > ~*~*~*~*~ > Rabia Gregory > Assistant Professor > Department of Religious Studies > Affiliated Faculty, Department of Women's and Gender Studies > University of Missouri - Columbia > 221 F Arts & Science Bldg. > Columbia, MO 65211 > (573) 882-5505 > Fax: (573) 882-4495 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 426/3313 - Release Date: 12/13/10 > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR > NAME to: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> To > send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> To leave the list, send the > message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> In order to report problems or to > contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> For further > information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion