So they don’t want the house prices
to rise by having them listed until they have bought them - interesting
Incidentally after practice the listing
process takes much less than an hour!
David Evans
Historic Environment Record Officer
(Postal Address)
Strategic Planning Policy & Specialist
Advice
Department of Environment and Community
Services
The Council Offices,
Thornbury
BS35 9BP
Phone: 01454 863649
fax:
01454 864473
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From:
Sent: 08 February 2013 10:12
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: HER permissions
Morning, chums!
We have problems with at least one local
group that should know better who are recording buildings, but who do not share
any information with the HER ‘because you might List the building’.
In vain have I pointed out that
a) The Local Authority is not the body that keeps and develops the
Heritage Assets Register
b) Anyone can
put a building up for Listing (although the process of working through all
those forms on the EH site probably puts off 90% of potential
applicants…)
c) I have more pressing things to do with my time, and
d) What’s the point in doing building recording if it
isn’t published?
Vince
Development Management Group
Our
Landline: 01934 426456
Please note my work hours are usually 8am
to 4pm
From:
Sent: 08 February 2013 09:35
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: HER permissions
Although I have always been keen to allow the public free access
to archaeological / historic information I have occasionally felt the need
to withhold it, if only for a specific amount of time. For example if
an evaluation was undertaken and revealed a significant site but
development was postponed for some years or indefinitely I preferred not
to put it on the HER immediately and risk it being trashed by
nighthawks. So when I was developing the
Building data can be a particular problem. I am currently
researching a significant unlisted building which is tenanted but owned by a
influential estate where it is difficult treading a fine line between
recording, keeping on good terms with the parties involved and making sure that
the site is known by those who really need to know. There are many people in
the Vernacular architecture Group who are reluctant to pass on their knowledge
of particular buildings to HER's as they are concerned, probably rightly, that
if it led to listing they would be turned away by other house owners of
unlisted properties. I was recently turned away from completing the
recording of a grade II listed building in Towcester as I was discovering too
much new information and the owner was worried that it would
be reassessed to a higher grade and jeopardise the sale of
the property!
Brian Giggins
On 7 February 2013 15:41, Rachel Grahame <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
And another thought, if you have not already done so, it might be worth
asking EH legal for their assistance?
Rachel
Rachel Grahame
Archaeologist (HER)
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From:
Sent: 07 February 2013 11:18
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HERFORUM] HER permissions
Thank you all for your
replies so far. I agree fully with all your
comments; I don't see how we could maintain a comprehensive record of
historic assets etc when there will be some landowners who, for whatever
reason, won't wish others to know what may or may not be on their land.
I understand some information is too sensitive for full public access,
but I always believed our duty of care was towards the archaeology not
the owners. And as someone has rightly mentioned, trying to keep track
of changing owners, and even getting access to ownership details in the
first place, would take up all of my time and all of the HE service
budget alone. It would be impossible to run a fair and transparent
service imho.
This has come out of blue Rachel, and yes legal are involved. While not
denying there is an undesignated monument on a piece of land, the
landowner is annoyed that I've created a record for it without getting
prior permission. I've worked in HERs for about 13 years and don't
remember this cropping up before. Unfortunately, now that I need it, I
can't find anything actually written down on paper to justify why I
don't need their permission.
Jo
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