So they don’t want the house prices to rise by having them listed until they have bought them - interesting

Incidentally after practice the listing process takes much less than an hour!

 

David Evans

Historic Environment Record Officer

(Postal Address)

Strategic Planning Policy & Specialist Advice

Department of Environment and Community Services

PO Box 2081

The Council Offices, Castle Street

Thornbury

South Gloucestershire

BS35 9BP

Phone: 01454 863649

fax:       01454 864473

 

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http://maps.southglos.gov.uk/CommunityMap/


From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Vince Russett
Sent: 08 February 2013 10:12
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: HER permissions

 

Morning, chums!

 

We have problems with at least one local group that should know better who are recording buildings, but who do not share any information with the HER ‘because you might List the building’. In vain have I pointed out that

 

a)     The Local Authority is not the body that keeps and develops the Heritage Assets Register

b)     Anyone can put a building up for Listing (although the process of working through all those forms on the EH site probably puts off 90% of potential applicants…)

c)      I have more pressing things to do with my time, and

d)     What’s the point in doing building recording if it isn’t published?

 

Vince

 

Vince Russett

County Archaeologist

Development Management Group

North Somerset Council

 

 

Our Historic Environment Record is now on-line: Go to the North Somerset web site (http://www.n-somerset.gov.uk) then use the tabs Environment / Conservation / Archaeology/ Historic Environment Record. Enjoy!

 

Landline: 01934 426456

Mobile:    07919 265645

 

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Giggins
Sent: 08 February 2013 09:35
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: HER permissions

 

Although I have always been keen to allow  the public free access to archaeological / historic information I have occasionally felt the need to withhold it, if only for a specific amount of time. For example if an evaluation was undertaken and revealed a significant site but development was postponed for some years or indefinitely I preferred not to put it on the HER immediately and risk it being trashed by nighthawks.  So when I was developing the Milton Keynes HER I included a field giving the year when the information could be made available to the public. Evaluation data could be put on allowing a 3 year margin (or more)  for development to be completed. For data to be used  for an enquiry from a member of the  the general public I would sort up until the current year which would exclude the sensitive data but I would allow full disclosure to archaeological contractors/ students undertaking research. Not perfect but an attempt to obtain a compromise. Such a procedure could be useful in making sure that contractors do not totally rely on web information but do contact the HER.

 

Building data can be a particular problem.  I am currently researching a significant unlisted building which is tenanted but owned by a influential estate where it is difficult treading a fine line between recording, keeping on good terms with the parties involved and making sure that the site is known by those who really need to know. There are many people in the Vernacular architecture Group who are reluctant to pass on their knowledge of particular buildings to HER's as they are concerned, probably rightly, that if it led to listing they would be turned away by other house owners of unlisted properties. I was recently turned away from completing the recording of a grade II listed building in Towcester as I was discovering too much new information and the owner was worried that it would be reassessed to a higher grade and jeopardise the sale of the property!

 

Brian Giggins 

 

On 7 February 2013 15:41, Rachel Grahame <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

And another thought, if you have not already done so, it might be worth asking EH legal for their assistance?

Rachel


Rachel Grahame
Archaeologist (HER)
Tees Archaeology
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mackintosh, Jo [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 07 February 2013 11:18
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HERFORUM] HER permissions

Thank you all for your replies so far.  I agree fully with all your
comments; I don't see how we could maintain a comprehensive record of
historic assets etc when there will be some landowners who, for whatever
reason, won't wish others to know what may or may not be on their land.
I understand some information is too sensitive for full public access,
but I always believed our duty of care was towards the archaeology not
the owners.  And as someone has rightly mentioned, trying to keep track
of changing owners, and even getting access to ownership details in the
first place, would take up all of my time and all of the HE service
budget alone.  It would be impossible to run a fair and transparent
service imho.

This has come out of blue Rachel, and yes legal are involved.  While not
denying there is an undesignated monument on a piece of land, the
landowner is annoyed that I've created a record for it without getting
prior permission.  I've worked in HERs for about 13 years and don't
remember this cropping up before.  Unfortunately, now that I need it, I
can't find anything actually written down on paper to justify why I
don't need their permission.


Jo

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