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Fair point about the first 'why', Craig. As to the second one, I'd like to see something better - that's 'why' I'd want to do something about it. But how much that better alternative ended up looking like psychology as its usually understood today is another matter entirely. J. On 13/02/2013 15:47, Craig Newnes wrote: > Even if were possible to explain why (by taking a g-dlike position to take in every factor, context etc.) why would you want to DO anything about it? To answer that 2nd 'why' would require the same external position as the first. Stick to 'how' C > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Cromby<[log in to unmask]> > Sender: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List<[log in to unmask]> > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:23:59 > To:<[log in to unmask]> > Reply-To: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List > <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Social Perspectives in Mental Health Conference > > "Psychology is very church like it splits into factions and sects at the > turn of hat? Areas of commonality are eschewed in order to defend > difference, faith and virtue?" > > I think this is more or less correct. > > Clearly, it would help if we could understand WHY psychology is like > this. If we are to get beyond this problem we need to grasp what it is > about psychology that renders it especially prone to this kind of > fragmentation. > > But to do that we have to engage in critical analysis and reflection. > And that includes the kind of critical reflection that Jacqui proposed. > > J. > > > > On 13/02/2013 00:34, richard pemberton wrote: >> David and Jacqui >> >> I didn't really explain myself very well. Psychology is very church like >> it splits into factions and sects at the turn of hat? Areas of >> commonality are eschewed in order to defend difference, faith and >> virtue? I almost fully understand the need to guard against and >> critically examine the motivations and 'progressive' rhetoric of the >> professionals.The conference under examination looks like a serious >> attempt to address issues of race power and social justice? This doesnt >> look like a group of apologists or misguided imperialists to me. >> >> Critical psychology sometimes seems to be yet another church? Why >> dissect this particular conference? Is this the main issue for Community >> Psychology to get its teeth into at this time? Whats the point and how >> will this progress the sorts of change that is needed? >> >> I am planning to launch a network linking Applied Psychologists working >> in Public Health in May. I will subject this to critical examination as >> I want this to make real difference and my critical credentials are >> questionable. The BPS has recently adopted Health and Wellbeing as one >> of its priority areas. I wonder who will help flesh out what this will >> mean in practice? >> >> Richard >> >> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:41 PM, David Fryer<[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >> >> Hi Jacqui, >> I think your observation / question is interesting and just the sort >> of post which is needed on a community psychology discussion list >> like this. I would be very interested in hearing more of your >> thoughts about this. >> >> David >> *From:* richard pemberton<[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 13 February 2013, 2:26 >> *Subject:* Re: FW: Social Perspectives in Mental Health Conference >> __ >> Jacqui >> >> This sort of 'critical monopoly' email is a bit depressing. Lets >> keep the critical faith alive by dissing anyone who isnt following >> the true critical path? Alive but marginalised and politically inert? >> >> Richard____ >> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:44 AM, jacqui lovell >> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >> wrote:__ >> >> I fail to see how this can be called "critical", is it just me? >> Check out the weblink for the line up of the usual suspects all >> professionals!! >> jacqui l >> *From:*Social Perspectives Network [mailto:Jean.Healy >> <mailto:Jean.Healy>[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *Social >> Perspectives Network >> *Sent:* 11 February 2013 23:39 >> *To:* =?utf-8?Q??= >> *Subject:* Social Perspectives in Mental Health Conference >> Ten free places allocated on a first come first served basis >> >> Email not displaying correctly? >> View it in your browser >> <http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=3155dc511b0df15da3b3932eb&id=f54fbcc71f&e=af9986662e>. >> >> >> *Conference*** >> >> <http://spn.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=3155dc511b0df15da3b3932eb&id=158f0c5fb5&e=af9986662e> >> >> *EHI/SPN Partnership*** >> >> >> Social Perspectives in Mental Health:Transforming Social >> Experiences >> >> >> >> 22nd APRIL 2013 | LONDON CONFERENCE >> >> >> This one day conference will critically examine how social >> models of mental distress and confusion can make a greater >> contribution to mental health service provision. 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