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I entirely agree with you Robert, but would also be keen to see how the article in question might be related to magic: fir example any implications for the use of non- European magic systems by indigenous Europeans and whether this intrinsically alters the praxis? Bw Jon sharp Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Segal, Professor Robert A. Sent: 26/01/2013 11:25 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Can non-europeans think (link) Jan. 26 Dear Nick, I was going to make the same point. And I was going to add that, contrary to the racism of those who see all "Europeans" as automatically identical in their beliefs, anyone who knows even the most rudimentary thing about Western culture is aware of divisions within it. Hebrews versus "pagans" in ancient times. Hebrews versus Greeks and Romans. Christians versus Jews. Christians versus pagans. Christians versus one another. Scores of divisions within Judaism and Christianity over the relationship of these religions to secular, scientific culture. Have our experts ever read Matthew Arnold on Hebraic versus Hellenic culture? Have they ever heard of Indo-European versus Semitic culture? But hey, what's the point? This self-congratulatory list is ever more a waste of time--with some happy exceptions like your posts. Best, Robert (proudly Western) ________________________________________ From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nicholas Campion [[log in to unmask]] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:00 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Can non-europeans think (link) Hi, Historical corrections. Abrahamic Is ancient near-eastern, not European ethnocentric Greco-Roman was pagan, hence not dismissive of pagan ideas. Nick From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of mandrake Sent: 26 January 2013 09:58 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Can non-europeans think (link) N.W. Azal wrote: I'd like to see the dabashi article on franz fanon - Modern neo-pagans also find themselves looking for an ethical framework that avoids the Abrahamic and Greco-Roman world view (ie european ethnocentrism) which is so dismissive of pagan ideas. The pagan often find themselves sceptical about the utility of the restrictive law codes built into modern society. Malana Karenga's books has a preface from Jan Assmann, one of the most eminent of living egyptologists and interpreters. Hope your research and writing going well senebty mogg morgan Other than his The Arab Spring<http://www.amazon.com/Arab-Spring-End-Postcolonialism/dp/1780322240/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1359193227&sr=1-1> (which is the only piece of his I totally disagree with) and The World of Persian Literary Humanism<http://www.amazon.com/The-World-Persian-Literary-Humanism/dp/0674066715>, which came out just before xmas, I have all of Dabashi's material as pdfs as well. You are welcome to any of them, Mogg. On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:37 AM, mandrake <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Dear N.W. Azal et al Must have missed that last time - i spotted it on Al Jazeera site along with his other cultureal reviews of latest films - Zero Dark 30 etc btw my article in Pomegranate - https://www.equinoxpub.com/journals/index.php/POM/issue/current discusses Maulana Karenga and his use of the Ancient Egyptian Maatian "law codes" as basis for a non european ethical system - shows some common ground between Pagans and "Black Consciousenss Movement" - Its an interest of my - pagan ethics - he is an egyptologist / philosopher whose book on Ma'at is really important - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maulana_Karenga senebty Mogg Morgan -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maulana_Karenga A very good article indeed. I posted this here last week. You should check out some of Dabashi's other works as well, esp. his re-write of Franz Fanon. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:00 PM, mandrake <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Dear all Interesting article here on european enthocentrism - Can non-Europeans think?<http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/01/2013114142638797542.html> ( http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/01/2013114142638797542.html ) mogg The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683.