That's interesting! I'm confused as to why an anyone would say Judaic magical praxis would be considered non-European/oriental since Judaic magical practice and theory has influenced European esoteric studies heavily since the classical and renaissance periods. What's the reasoning? ________________________________ From: Khem Caigan <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Defining magic I would have expected / enjoyed a contribution from Hossein Nasr ( for example ), one of the contributors to *Sophia : The Journal of Traditional Studies*, or even from Moshe Idel - as I have been given to understand that Judaic magical praxis is currently considered to be non-European /"oriental" by the Academy, and students of the "Western Esoteric Tradition" are advised to steer clear ( although, with the recent publication of Claire Fanger's *Invoking Angels*, I expect that will change ). That said, I have Stausberg's *Defining Magic* on order for the shelves here at the Harry Everett Smith Memorial Library. Cors in Manu Domine, ~ Khem Caigan <[log in to unmask]> "Heat and Moisture are Active to Generation; Cold and Dryness are Passive, in and to each Thing; Fire and Air, Active by Elementation; Water and Earth, Passive to Generation." *Of the Division of Chaos* ~ Dr. Simon Forman