/Dear Roger/, Thank you for your time and trouble: I'm sure you're right - I've had two other helpful replies, both saying the same thing, and both from Americans (whom one might expect to be right - after all, it's their continent!). More seriously, Tom Pinney pointed out (which I could have, and should have, checked) that Durand, writing in 1914 with Kipling's approval, if not actual assistance, also identified the Barrens as the same tract of NW Canada. Yours, /Alastair/ On 14/12/2012 10:48, Roger Ayers wrote: > Dear Alastair, > I suspect that Kipling was referring to the Barren Grounds of northern > Canada, first explored by Samuel Hearne, who wrote a book called /A > Journey from Prince of Wales’s Fort in Hudson’s Bay to the Northern > Ocean, in the Years 1769, 1770, 1771, & 1772/ (Strahan & Cadell, > London, 1795). This was reprinted a number of times in the nineteenth > and early twentieth century (see 1911 version at > http://www.gutenberg.org/files/38404/38404-0.txt ) > Best on-line description at > http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/54051/Barren-Grounds and > follow link to Samuel Hearne in text. > As the first exploration of the area and by an Englishman who had also > set up the first Hudson Bay Trading Company post in the interior, it > ticks all Kipling's boxes. > Best wishes, > Roger > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Alastair Wilson <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > *To:* [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:39 PM > *Subject:* The Song of the Dead > > Further to my earlier question about this poem, can any member > tell me, in referring to the "Dead in the West" did Kipling have a > particular area (almost certainly in the eastern foot-hills of the > American Rockies) in mind when he referred to "The Barrens"? > Lewis and Clark? > /Alastair Wilson/ > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 7799 (20121214) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com