Terry, I'm assuming a mind body conversation in which not all is known or revealed. I don't decide to jump when someone pours hot coffee in my lap. But I can decide that we disagree about our ability to choose how we want to be in the world. No matter what they say, Terry, I don't think you're a Turing test. Your comments help to improve our ideas, clarify our differing positions and prod us to remember what it is that we really value. All the best from the appreciative illusion that is, Jerry On 12/16/12 3:33 PM, "Terence Love" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: "If you rethink it clearly on the basis that mind is directed by body, you get a different analysis." -- Jerry Diethelm Architect - Landscape Architect Planning & Urban Design Consultant Prof. Emeritus of Landscape Architecture and Community Service € University of Oregon 2652 Agate St., Eugene, OR 97403 € e-mail: [log in to unmask] € web: http://pages.uoregon.edu/diethelm/ € 541-686-0585 home/work 541-346-1441 UO € 541-206-2947 work/cell ----------------------------------------------------------------- PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design -----------------------------------------------------------------