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Now then, as they say in Yorkshire, S 659, though apparently genuine, is only preserved in a 14th-century copy and the boundary clause shows some traces of modernization, so we cannot regard Keith's example as in any way definitive evidence one way or the other. The personal name *Scyld is paralleled by ON skiöldr (byname) and note also the compound personal name Skiöldulfr. I'm not sure about Keith's "intentional symbolic meaning", or did Martians settle in the vicinity? Von: Keith Briggs <[log in to unmask]> An: [log in to unmask] Betreff: Re: [EPNL] Scyldes-, scyld, scealde, etc. Datum: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:10:40 +0100 Here’s a clear example of how the presence of genitival -es can arbitrarily fluctuate: up to dare aeppeltreou of þere appelstreou (S659, AD 958, Southwell Notts.) Keith From: The English Place-Name List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Keith Briggs Sent: 13 December 2012 09:56 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Scyldes-, scyld, scealde, etc. I wonder whether (despite the genitival construction), scyldes treow might have denoted a tree with shield-shaped scar resulting from the cutting of a disk of bark? This would then be parallel to the names of Gartree Hundred (Cox, PN Leicestershire 4.2) and Gartree Wapentake (Cameron, Dict. of Lincolnshire PNs 49). The bark markings in all three cases might have had some intentional symbolic meaning. Keith From: The English Place-Name List [mailto:[log in to unmask] [1]] On Behalf Of John Freeman Sent: 10 December 2012 18:23 To: [log in to unmask] [2] Subject: Re: Scyldes-, scyld, scealde, etc. I would think myself that a personal name is more likely in scyldes treow than the noun sceld/scield/scyld, but it's not impossible. We find a stem-compound rather than than a genitival compound in OE sceldmere (S 1545)/scyldmere (S 411) in Berks., explained as 'probably "shield-shaped pool"' by Gelling in EPNS Berks. 3: 742. There are also other place-names which might have the personal name: Shelsley Beauchamp/Walsh in Worcestershire (Sceldeslæhge 11th c., Sceldeslega c.1150) and Shelfin in Devon (Sildesfen 1167, Schildisfene 1329). John Freeman Links: ------ [1] mailto:[log in to unmask] [2] mailto:[log in to unmask]