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I didn't have any particular we in mind. 

It's a better word than I ?

Richard

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On 19 Dec 2012, at 11:18, Craig Newnes <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Who is the 'we' here? Psychs are organized in local non-professional communities, political action etc but as citizens not psychs. Seems about right to me. C
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I am not a positive psychologist! and know more about despair than I would ever wish on my worst enemy. I think we need to get mad and organised in an intelligent way. The lack of progressive psy voices at all levels alongside people at the sharp end is in my book criminal? 

Richard


On 19 Dec 2012, at 10:49, Penny Priest wrote:

Despair can also show that something is wrong. Beware avoidance of despair:
 
 
 
 
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I am not against despair but it does have its limitations and can be a license to sit on ones hands. It was his anti abortion position that was very damaging. The work just ground to halt. 
People don't need psy assistants they need friends jobs lovers email lists! in fact valued social roles. It's really  tough being a senior  psy in services just now. We are really being tested?
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On 19 Dec 2012, at 09:24, Penny Priest <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I'm not sure psychologists do have much influence on the skills and humanity of the whole system - I think most of our attempts to do this are often drowned out by other demands from higher up the system (e.g. inputting data and providing NICE compliant therapies). Where I work in adult mental health, they got rid of day service accommodation and created social inclusion and recovery services, then last year got rid of these, so many of the people I see are more lonely and isolated than ever, yet the rhetoric is that they are no longer institutionalised and they are integrated into their communities. I often think providing more assistants, befrienders and support staff would meet people's needs better than an hour with a psychologist once a fortnight for a limited time. As for Wolfenberger's despair, perhaps it is helpful for Deborah to hear about that, as it highlights she is not the only one who is not happy about the way our services respond to people. This is not madness. I admire the person who can still see like the ethnographer, long after they have become absorbed within a culture. We are all flawed and we are all generally inclined to protect our own interests, to a greater or lesser extent, which is at least one reason why many psychologists would object to the commissioning in Glasgow.
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I don't think I'm trumpeting individualized solutions - the changes Mark + colleagues brought about were at the commissioning level in terms of which services were purchased. You could argue that his work didn't change the purchaser-provider split or the wider context but as I have singularly failed to do either, I won't argue for impossible goals C
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Craig 

Looks like Mark was ahead of his time then! Surprised you are trumpeting such individualised solutions. Take out the senior psychologists who are working to enhance the skills and humanity of the whole system of care and to prevent money being poured down the drain on extraordinarily poor service designs at many vulnerable peoples peril.

I am rusty on my SRV but death making was a the top of the common wounds tree. It did not cast all services as inherently death making. Wolfensbergers later  preoccupation with death abortion and abuse did through TIPs over shadow and damage the impressive movement he led. He himself said it would have been better if he had died when he had completed the main SRV meta theory. I think he did end promoting a self fulfilling catholic despair about the world and services. We are all sinners and the sooner we fez up to our flawed and dark natures the better. He is a sort of Freud of Human Services?

People like Deborah need support to hang in there in this additionally fraught times for people with disabilities. As you know all to well its an exhausting and draining business. Alan Tyne used to go round saying burn out was a lack of commitment. I tried this phrase out on my exhausted end of term primary school teacher daughter. She left the room in tears. SRV at its worst was used as a stick to wound staff.

Richard


On 18 Dec 2012, at 18:37, Craig Newnes wrote:

It's Mark Feinmann in Glasgow - tho he trained as a CP he cut their funding to pay for far less elitist assistants, be-frienders, support staff etc AND better places for those served in which to live C
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Hi Craig,
 
I'd really like to hear more from your CP Commissioning friend.  Would you mind finding out if they would mind you passing on their email?  You can send it to my personal address [log in to unmask]
 
Sometimes the feeling that I'm the only one feeling that I'm the only one really not happy with the way our service responses to people with learning disabilities are organised makes me feel I'm going mad
 
Deborah
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