Dear Dr.Randy,
Thank you very much for your helpful advices.
Indeed when I used the updated version of Phaser and used the heterodimer
BA search model to search for the heterotetramer B2A2, the tNCS correction
factors would be applied.
In this model, B can form a dimer B2 and bind with one A with each of B to
form a heterotetramer AB2A.
I used B monomer as search model and I could find back the dimerB2 with
TFZ=7.9 and LLG58 in P212121, this should be my solution however the refinement
Rfree was still 0.55.
In the attachment you could find the logfile of B_search_B2 (TFZ 7.8),
BA_search_B2A2 (TFZ 5.7), B2A2_search_B2A2 (TFZ 10.2) and Phenix.xtriage
logfile.
What do you think I could use Phaser to deal with this pseudo translational
symmetry problem?
Many thanks in advance.
Best Regards,
Yurong
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Pseudo translational symmetry Problem or Wrong
Spacegroup
Dear
Yurong,
I just wanted to check that you're using an up-to-date version of Phaser,
which will account for the presence of translational NCS (tNCS). With
older versions of Phaser, you could get apparent solutions that were incorrect
but would give a high LLG just because they satisfied the tNCS. However,
even with the current version of Phaser there's a potential problem here.
Phaser will only take account of the tNCS if you're looking for an even number
of copies (so that it can look for pairs related by the tNCS). I'm
wondering if, in your case, the tNCS is generated in the model by placing the
heterotetramer with its internal 2-fold parallel to the 2(1) screw axis along
y. If that's the case, and you're only looking for one copy of the
heterotetramer, then I'm afraid Phaser will ignore the tNCS. If indeed
you're only looking for one copy of the heterotetramer, could you try looking
for two copies of the half-tetramer instead (in the new version of
Phaser)? That may give a clearer indication of the true symmetry and, if
the solution is correct, the combination of translational symmetry and the screw
axis should generate a full tetramer.
In cases like this, there's always a potential issue with twinning.
I'd be interested in seeing the logfile (off-list) for the Phaser run, which
should give an indication of whether the intensity moments suggest twinning,
once the statistical effect of tNCS has been accounted for.
Best wishes,
Randy Read
On 3 Dec 2012, at 11:49, Yurong Wen wrote:
Dear All,
Recently, I collected a dataset of a protein-DNA
complex and indexed in spacegroup P212121 to 3.4 Å. However, Phenix.Xtriage indicated the presence
of a very high
pseudotranslational symmetry peak. I scaled the data in spacegroup P222.
When I used the protein heterotetramer as search model to do the MR, solutions
are suggested in P22121, P212121, P2212, P21212 and all with a TFZ score
higher than 15, LLG higher than 570. Then I used phenix.refine to refine those
solutions; however the Rfree is as high as 0.54-0.56. The refinement strategy
that I used for the refinement is rigid body, group B-factors and XYZ
coordinates.
How to deal with this pseudotranslational symmetry
problem? Does a solution with such high TFZ scores mean that the correct one
has been found? How to solve the spacegroup problem in such
situation?
Do you have any suggestions?
Thank you very much.
Greetings,
Yurong
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