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Don't let's forget that references are also a way of saying "I join and intend to remain a member of a community with a long history" "Thank you to..." Ranulph ---- Original Message ---- From: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Role of references in research Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:36:05 +0100 >Dear Terry, > >And I like and agree with what you say here about the use and >role of cited work, ie references. > >I'm in the middle of reviewing some 50 or so publications to >help with the REF-2014 preparations of a University Department >in the UK, and I can say that the misunderstanding you point >to is on display in many of these, including those written by >more senior researchers. Also on display is the failure to >cite needed pieces of reason, argument, evidence, and >previously published results. > >Best regards, > >Tim > >=============================================== > >On Nov 27, 2012, at 05:23 , Terence Love wrote: > >> Hi Susan, >> >> Thanks for your message. I've changed the subject line to reflect >the change >> in direction in your post. >> >> You wrote <snip> 'Peer reviewed papers do not remove their >reference >> list<end>; and suggested rhetoric was the role of references. As I >> understand it, the situation is different and that is very much not >the role >> of references. >> >> The four Greek models of proof are: >> Logic - logically structured analytical derivation of proof from >previously >> agreed axioms >> Deontic - self-evident proof >> Casuistic - proof on the basis of authority (proof from the bible) >> Rhetoric - proof by manipulation of belief and emotion >> >> Usually academic research (following Socrates) depends only on >logic and >> deontic proof and requires casuistic and rhetorical proof are >eschewed. >> >> My understanding of the role of references in academic papers is >they are >> solely abbreviation in a logical proof. In effect, the author is >saying, >> 'There is part of the reasoning and evidence that I could write >here but >> instead I will point you to a place where it is already available.' >or ' I >> have used the reasoning or evidence from someone else. It is here. >Please >> check the reasoning and evidence in the original' >> >> Mistakenly, some academics think the purpose of a reference is >somehow >> 'convey and attach to an authority to try to persuade the reader >the author >> is correct' (using casuism or rhetoric), or that it is purely a >matter of >> ethics (not stealing ideas). These misunderstandings of the role of >> references are often characteristic of Masters and PhD students >who carry >> them as a mistaken approach from school and undergraduate teaching. >> >> Best wishes, >> Terry >> > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> >Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design >Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design >----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design -----------------------------------------------------------------