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Was struggling to answer Amber's question without changing the subject *passes buck* -----Original Message----- From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sarah Currier Sent: 14 November 2012 14:59 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: End of programme, now what? Wow, *epic* change-of-subject Nick. Must remember to invite you to potentially contentious family holiday dinners. S. -----Original Message----- From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sheppard, Nick Sent: 14 November 2012 14:42 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: End of programme, now what? Well that will teach me to ask silly questions... It occurred to me that strictly only resources released under our initial phase 1 project should be tagged ukoer though I've continued to tag any resources released subsequently simply according to the template established under that project...and because I was still part of the community and variously involved in other (uk)oer projects over the rest of the Programme. I'm not sure #ukcorr is directly relevant to this discussion as that *is* just a social media tag but as Amber knows I have long sought to reconcile my involvement in both communities which are, by and large, discrete (I think). Perhaps the Open landscape is becoming more homogeneous (or maybe not!) after the OER programme and, in the context of OA, the Finch report and the drive towards CC-BY from RCUK. To risk going off on an OA tangent, the RCUK policy basically states that in order to be compliant, a journal must offer a suitable gold option (author/institution pays) OR a suitable green option (self-archiving in a repository). it need not offer both. In addition a gold option must be licenced under CC-BY and one interesting development is that the Nature Publishing Group recently announced that their APC (Article Processing Charge) for CC-BY will effectively be £400 more expensive than a more restrictive licence like CC-BY-NC-ND (see http://www.nature.com/press_releases/cc-licenses.html) effectively penalising RCUK compliance. RCUK have explicitly stated they prefer gold to green, basically because it's simpler but we do still have the cheaper option of green - at least for the time being, but it may be that a combination of Finch, RCUK policy and the markets will ultimately kill green.nobody really knows! The RCUK policy obviously means that gold articles (as CC-BY) can also be "mirrored" in repositories and there is a great deal of discussion how the existing repository infrastructure can remain central for institutional research dissemination and be co-opted to aggregate usage data across all dissemination routes (via IRUS-UK and RepositoryNet+).which I personally think is the most interesting conception of OA repositories in the future. Sorry if this is a little tangential, but in the spirit of OA meets OER, UKCoRR recently held its annual members' meeting (I invited Phil Barker to the last one to talk about OER!) and there were some really interesting presentations that I'm sure would interest this community, particularly UK RepositoryNet+ and IRUS-UK. I haven't uploaded all the videos yet but RepNet is available at: http://ukcorr.org/activity/blog/ Full programme at http://ukcorr.org/events/future-events/teesside-university-friday-9th-november-2012/ with videos to follow...Hydra in particular may also interest this list, an impressive, extremely flexible repository system based on Fedora that really can manage different types of content flexibly - will post asap! Nick -----Original Message----- From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Amber THOMAS Sent: 14 November 2012 13:33 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: End of programme, now what? Suzanne Hardy has just asked me a valid question - are there any precedents for growing a community like this post-funding. Yes ... 2 that I can think of ... In UK further education we had the Information and Learning Technologies (ILT) Champions scheme back in the late 1990s. Initially they were funded, and then were key to the national learning network (NLN) work. They continue as a peer supported list/group to this day. When I was involved more with JISC repository work, the UK Council of research repositories - UKCoRR http://ukcorr.org - formed itself. It has gradually taken on a life of its own. Nick Sheppard spans both UKOER and UKCorr and may have a useful perspective on this. Amber -----Original Message----- From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 14 November 2012 13:26 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: End of programme, now what? I thought it just might be that the UKOER movement is bigger than this list and those projects. I think of ukoer as the movement, rather than the projects. -----Original Message----- From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sarah Currier Sent: 14 November 2012 13:24 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: End of programme, now what? Just with reference to the usefulness criteria I mentioned earlier Julian- we want to be able to extract data about the OERs produced as part of the funded UK OER Programmes, uniquely. There may be other reasons why it *is* useful to apply this tag to virtually anything by anyone who happens to be on this list and remembers to do it- but no one has mentioned any yet and I can't think of any. S. -----Original Message----- From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 14 November 2012 13:02 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: End of programme, now what? Why not? -----Original Message----- From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sarah Currier Sent: 14 November 2012 13:02 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: End of programme, now what? My point was: it's been very useful to date having a single tag for JISC programme funded OERs to find, track, aggregate and use data about them. And it's not useful to just tag any OER created in the UK with it. S. -----Original Message----- From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Kernohan Sent: 14 November 2012 12:40 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: End of programme, now what? No. ukoer as a tag (both as a hashtag and as a tag on resources etc) is and always has been owned by the community that uses it. As long as it remains useful - keep using it. David On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:54:44 -0000, Sheppard, Nick <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Possibly a silly question...but I should stop tagging new resources > ukoer?! > > Sent from my HTC > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Martin Hawksey" <[log in to unmask]> > To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: End of programme, now what? > Date: Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:43 pm > > > > +1 on buddypress site. Recently been thinking that an open education > equivalent of academia.edu might be useful. Lincoln's Bebop plugin > could be used to allow members to aggregate resources they produce > > Martin > > On 13 November 2012 22:02, Pat Lockley > <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: >> Be good to organise something before March - i always thought an OER >> networking site would be handy (some buddypress like thing), or an >> #openedchat on twitter maybe? >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Chris.Pegler >> <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Suzanne >>> >>> I am sure that Tim Seal and Jonathan Darby (here at the London event >>> today) will have something to say about the OE SIG presently. But >>> given the quantity and quality and diversity of submissions to OER13 >>> there is a huge interest in continuing to add to and share evidence >>> and experiences around OER. Many of the submissions centre on wok >>> whhich originated as part of the UK OER programme, but not all. >>> David Kernohan has been mentioning the S-word (sustainability). The >>> spread outwards in well on the way, and on this list joining with >>> other activity and activity beyond the UK. >>> >>> Long may this list prosper and grow. I am sure it will. We all have >>> lots to share and know how to share nicely :-) >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Chris Pegler >>> Senior Lecturer, Institute of Educational Technology >>> >>> Best to contact me by email, but telephone number is 01908 654015 >>> (IET >>> office) >>> >>> Check out the OER13 conference at http://oer13.org (26-27 March 2013 >>> at >>> Nottingham) >>> Plan to submit a paper or poster and note these dates in your diary >>> now! >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: Suzanne Hardy [[log in to unmask]] >>> Sent: 13 November 2012 12:23 >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: Re: End of programme, now what? >>> >>> I am presenting on UKOER to Lindon health librarians today so can't >>> be at the meeting either. >>> >>> I would hope that this list will stay open and active if nothing >>> else..... >>> >>> Suzanne >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for brevity. 07790 905657. >>> >>> On 13 Nov 2012, at 11:45, "Lou McGill" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> > I can't be there either (sounds like an interesting meeting to >>> reflect >>> > on some of the lessons learned) but agree Phil with your thoughts >>> here. >>> > >>> > I hope our final oer3 report (currently in progress) will >>> > highlight >>> some >>> > of those factors that can support sustainability. >>> > >>> > Such excellent work by the projects across the three years... >>> > >>> > Lou >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Open Educational Resources >>> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >>> On >>> > Behalf Of Phil Barker >>> > Sent: 13 November 2012 10:40 >>> > To: [log in to unmask] >>> > Subject: End of programme, now what? >>> > >>> > Hello all, I can't be in London today, so I'm kind of joining the >>> end of >>> > programme discussion from afar. The last three years have been >>> great. At one >>> > of the early planning meetings someone (Andy Powell, I think) said >>> that one >>> > measure of whether the programme was successful could be the >>> widespread >>> > recognition of UKOER / OER as an idea within UK F&HE and the >>> existence of a >>> > community around it. I'm pretty sure that has happened, not just >>> because of >>> > UKOER but we were there and helped. So well done all of us :) >>> > >>> > But what now? The programme has always aimed at sustainable >>> > release >>> of >>> > resources, change of culture and practice, not just a short burst >>> > of activity leading to a one-off dumping of resources. What will >>> > happen >>> over >>> > the next few years by way of sustained release and which practices >>> are >>> > sustainable? Also, of course, from a CETIS point of view, what >>> technologies >>> > can help? >>> > >>> > Happy diwali, keep the OER light shining. >>> > >>> > Phil >>> > >>> > -- >>> > <http://www.icbl.hw.ac.uk/~philb/> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- >>> > Sunday Times Scottish University of the Year 2011-2013 Top in the >>> > UK for student experience Fourth university in the UK and top in >>> > Scotland (National Student >>> Survey >>> > 2012) >>> > >>> > We invite research leaders and ambitious early career researchers >>> > to join us in leading and driving research in key >>> > inter-disciplinary themes. >>> > Please see >>> www.hw.ac.uk/researchleaders<http://www.hw.ac.uk/researchleaders> >>> for further information and how >>> > to apply. >>> > >>> > Heriot-Watt University is a Scottish charity registered under >>> > charity number SC000278. >>> >>> -- >>> The Open University is incorporated by Royal Charter (RC 000391), an >>> exempt charity in England & Wales and a charity registered in >>> Scotland (SC 038302). >> >> > > > > -- > Martin Hawksey > JISC CETIS > Tw: @mhawksey > G+: plusme.hawksey.info > > > To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to > http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm > -- David Kernohan UKOER Programme Manager eLearning Innovation Team JISC e:[log in to unmask] p:3rd Floor, Beacon House, Bristol BS8 1QU s:david.kernohan t: dkernohan, ukoer m: 07917599296 This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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