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Hi Andy Good point, but when deciding on First Aid provision the focus should be generally be on a risk assessment associated with employees, I appreciate that there is a requirement under S3 of the HASAWA to ensure the H&S of others who could be affected by your workprocesses. However, I am assuming that the customer deaths were not the result of any hazard in the workplace but likely to be the result of CHD. I am assuming these deaths to be associated with the demographics of your customer group. Anne On 23/11/2012 11:52, "Andy Heslop" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > To muddy the waters even further, those of us who work in the retail sector > are quite often approached by various organisations asking if they can site > AEDs on our premises for use on customers/members of the public. I've not > heard of an employee death whilst at work during the fourteen years I've been > employed by my current employer, but am aware of at least five customer deaths > whilst they've been shopping with us. > > Regards, > > Andy > > > > From: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Date: 23/11/2012 11:19 > Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Defibs in the workplace > Sent by: [log in to unmask] > > > > > Only just caught up with this thread and I totally concur with Carąs response. > > Bottom line is use a risk assessment approach high degree of risk worth > having AEDs on site. Low degree of risk where the likelyhood of an AED being > required is very low and access to emergency care is good perhaps the cost > of the kit and consumables coupled with the associated training needs and time > out of work to undertake the training means the costs may well outweigh the > benefits. > > Anne > > > On 23/11/2012 09:39, "Carr Barnes" <[log in to unmask] > <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > Hi all > > If you google 'considering a workplace defibrillator' you'll get a fair few > hits about risk assessment such as; > > Some factors to consider when assessing the need for a workplace AED: > > € The degree of isolation of the workplace from emergency services > > € The time taken for emergency services to potentially access some work areas > > € The type of work undertaken in the workplace > > € The risk profile of workplace attendees > > € The number of workplace attendees > > € The availability of other medical support > > € The risk of injury or death > The Advisory External Defibrillator National Pre-Hospital Standards 2008 by > PHECC Ireland also give a really good breakdown of all the costs to consider, > both initial and ongoing. > > > Regards, Carr > > On Nov 23, 2012 9:18 AM, "Milne Campbell" <[log in to unmask] > <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > One argument I have heard can help is distance from further help, > i.e. how long for an ambulance / to hospitalŠ > > > > <http://www.workingwell2gether.nhs.uk/home/flu/ > <http://www.workingwell2gether.nhs.uk/home/flu/> > > > From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > [mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ] On > Behalf Of Janet Patterson > Sent: 22 November 2012 09:11 > To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Defibs in the workplace > > Thanks to all for all your info on who has/ doesnąt have AED. BHF Grants > available (Dawn you asked for info). Im not sure it extends to workplaces > rather public places but might be worth a look. J > Getting defibrillators into the right places > Defibrillators, also known as automated external defibrillators (AEDs), need > to be placed strategically in areas where there is a high incidence of > cardiac arrest > <http://www.bhf.org.uk/heart-health/conditions/cardiac-arrest.aspx > <http://www.bhf.org.uk/heart-health/conditions/cardiac-arrest.aspx> > and > where it's difficult for an ambulance to get quickly. > More than 6,000 defibrillators have already been placed in the community since > we started donating them in 1996. > Rural areas, communities with poor road networks or traffic congestion, and > where large crowds gather are all places where we need defibrillators the > most. > In your area > If you are interested in helping provide defibrillators in your area, please > get in touch <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > . We > can support the cost of a defibrillator with a grant. Grant applicants must > provide for ongoing maintenance and community based groups should be trained > regularly > > > From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > [mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ] On > Behalf Of Dawn Veal > Sent: 22 November 2012 08:58 > To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Defibs in the workplace > > Hi, > > I have 550 employees and would like to have them but have been advised the > cost versus benefit to the company is not sufficient. If you can find any > funding let me know as I would be interested. > > Thanks Dawn > > > From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > [mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ] > <mailto:%5bmailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:%5bmailto:[log in to unmask]> > On Behalf Of Janet Patterson > Sent: 21 November 2012 14:06 > To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Defibs in the workplace > > HI all, > > I hope this is ok within the educational remit - itąs all part of a learning > curve in practice! > > I am doing a comparative fact finding mission to see what is current with > provision of AEDs in the work place. > I wonder if you would mind letting me know whether the business you work for/ > at have AEDs. > If you are able to share with the name of the establishment & how many > employees at the location of the defib I would be most grateful? > > The reason being is that my establishment is in a quandary about this. > There is sufficient evidence to support it saves lives (this is not my issue) > however from a business perspective when 11 machines, training of personnel > and the associated costs have to be considered in a time when the business is > slashing costs to save money they are considering all aspects. > > In the past I am aware of government funding for such placing and training in > the workplace. > Does anyone know of any current funding or where I could find such > information? > > Thanks in anticipation. > > Janet Patterson RGN, RSCPHN OH, BSc (Hons) MMEDSCI. 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