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Only just caught up with this thread and I totally concur with Car¹s response. Bottom line is use a risk assessment approach high degree of risk worth having AEDs on site. Low degree of risk where the likelyhood of an AED being required is very low and access to emergency care is good perhaps the cost of the kit and consumables coupled with the associated training needs and time out of work to undertake the training means the costs may well outweigh the benefits. Anne On 23/11/2012 09:39, "Carr Barnes" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi all > > If you google 'considering a workplace defibrillator' you'll get a fair few > hits about risk assessment such as; > > Some factors to consider when assessing the need for a workplace AED: > > € The degree of isolation of the workplace from emergency services > > € The time taken for emergency services to potentially access some work areas > > € The type of work undertaken in the workplace > > € The risk profile of workplace attendees > > € The number of workplace attendees > > € The availability of other medical support > > € The risk of injury or death > The Advisory External Defibrillator National Pre-Hospital Standards 2008 by > PHECC Ireland also give a really good breakdown of all the costs to consider, > both initial and ongoing. > > > Regards, Carr > > On Nov 23, 2012 9:18 AM, "Milne Campbell" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> One argument I have heard can help is distance from further help, >> i.e. how long for an ambulance / to hospitalŠ >> >> >> >> <http://www.workingwell2gether.nhs.uk/home/flu/> >> >> >> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf >> Of Janet Patterson >> Sent: 22 November 2012 09:11 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Defibs in the workplace >> >> Thanks to all for all your info on who has/ doesn¹t have AED. BHF Grants >> available (Dawn you asked for info). Im not sure it extends to workplaces >> rather public places but might be worth a look. J >> Getting defibrillators into the right places >> Defibrillators, also known as automated external defibrillators (AEDs), need >> to be placed strategically in areas where there is a high incidence of >> cardiac arrest >> <http://www.bhf.org.uk/heart-health/conditions/cardiac-arrest.aspx> and >> where it's difficult for an ambulance to get quickly. >> More than 6,000 defibrillators have already been placed in the community >> since we started donating them in 1996. >> Rural areas, communities with poor road networks or traffic congestion, and >> where large crowds gather are all places where we need defibrillators the >> most. >> In your area >> If you are interested in helping provide defibrillators in your area, >> please get in touch <mailto:[log in to unmask]> . We can support the cost >> of a defibrillator with a grant. Grant applicants must provide for ongoing >> maintenance and community based groups should be trained regularly >> >> >> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf >> Of Dawn Veal >> Sent: 22 November 2012 08:58 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Defibs in the workplace >> >> Hi, >> >> I have 550 employees and would like to have them but have been advised the >> cost versus benefit to the company is not sufficient. If you can find any >> funding let me know as I would be interested. >> >> Thanks Dawn >> >> >> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >> <mailto:%5bmailto:[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Janet Patterson >> Sent: 21 November 2012 14:06 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Defibs in the workplace >> >> HI all, >> >> I hope this is ok within the educational remit - it¹s all part of a learning >> curve in practice! >> >> I am doing a comparative fact finding mission to see what is current with >> provision of AEDs in the work place. >> I wonder if you would mind letting me know whether the business you work for/ >> at have AEDs. >> If you are able to share with the name of the establishment & how many >> employees at the location of the defib I would be most grateful? >> >> The reason being is that my establishment is in a quandary about this. >> There is sufficient evidence to support it saves lives (this is not my issue) >> however from a business perspective when 11 machines, training of personnel >> and the associated costs have to be considered in a time when the business is >> slashing costs to save money they are considering all aspects. >> >> In the past I am aware of government funding for such placing and training in >> the workplace. >> Does anyone know of any current funding or where I could find such >> information? >> >> Thanks in anticipation. >> >> Janet Patterson RGN, RSCPHN OH, BSc (Hons) MMEDSCI. 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