Hi - yes I guess for this slightly unusual design cutoffcalc is not really the right tool for the job.  You should be able to look at the "Effect required" calculations when you press the "Efficiency" button instead to get a feel for the effect of the highpass.

Cheers.



On 8 Nov 2012, at 22:38, Greg Burgess wrote:

Hello FSL listers,

I'm trying to figure out why cutoffcalc is giving me such a long filter cutoff for my design. My data has 405 volumes (TR=0.72s). My design has 8 blocks (each block is a different EV) of 27.5s and 4 blocks of fixation (15s).
X-A-B-X-C-D-X-E-F-X-G-H

Basically, I tried to calculate the optimal HP cutoff according to 'cutoffcalc -t 0.95 --tr=0.72 -i design.mat', and received a filter period that was 1749.6s, which is 6 * (task duration). This didn't make any sense to me, since the worst case scenario should have been 2*(rAB+rCD+rEF+rGH).

For an alternate (shorter) task, I received a filter period of 90s (the minimum). So, I created a new design.mat using the EVs/contrasts from the alternate task but the image (duration) from the first task. I again received a filter period that was 1749.6s.

I ran a test of cutoffcalc, reducing the duration of the design step-by-step, but keeping the EVs from the alternate task. The filter duration stayed at 6*(task duration) until it sharply dropped and started yielding more reasonable filter durations - ultimately dropping back to 90s.

A few questions:
- Why does the upper-limit of cutoffcalc seem to be 6*(task duration), and under what conditions does cutoffcalc return that value?
- Do larger / longer designs pose a problem for cutoffcalc, or for HP filters in general?
- Does the issue arise from the fact that there is only one observation per condition? Does this pose a problem for estimation, or actually for using the HP filter?


Thanks,
Greg
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Greg Burgess, Ph.D.
Staff Scientist, Human Connectome Project
Washington University School of Medicine
Department of Anatomy and Neurobiology
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