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s: An alternative way to avoid the argument and discussion all together is to use "cryo-cooled". Tim: You go to a restaurant, spend all that time and money and order a fruitcake? Cheers, N. On 11/15/2012 11:59 AM, Tim Gruene wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dear s, > > I have heard this discussion before and reminds me of people claiming > strawberries were nuts - which botanically may be correct, but would > still not make me complain about strawberries in a fruit cake I > ordered at a restaurant. > > My Pengiun English Dictionary states (amongst other explanations) > freeze: "to make extremely cold", so as long as you think your article > is written in English, you did not say anything wrong, assuming your > readers are intelligent enough to understand what you are trying to > say - and in a crystallographic article, the process of 'freezing' > your crystal is most likely not your main point where you need to be > 100% unambiguous. > > Cheers, > Tim > > On 11/15/2012 06:13 PM, Sebastiano Pasqualato wrote: >> Hi folks, I have recently received a comment on a paper, in which >> referee #1 (excellent referee, btw!) commented like this: >> >> "crystals were vitrified rather than frozen." >> >> These were crystals grew in ca. 2.5 M sodium malonate, directly dip >> in liquid nitrogen prior to data collection at 100 K. We stated in >> the methods section that crystals were "frozen in liquid nitrogen", >> as I always did. >> >> After a little googling it looks like I've always been wrong, and >> what we are always doing is doing is actually vitrifying the >> crystals. Should I always use this statement, from now on, or are >> there english/physics subtleties that I'm not grasping? >> >> Thanks a lot, ciao, s >> >> > - -- > Dr Tim Gruene > Institut fuer anorganische Chemie > Tammannstr. 4 > D-37077 Goettingen > > GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iD8DBQFQpS17UxlJ7aRr7hoRAvX0AJ9b3YYQ4kXu5J0wJdEYudPclTmKtQCg8HSx > R4wgkmbp2l7Q/ns/HfJkqgY= > =R9Wp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ruslan Sanishvili (Nukri) Macromolecular Crystallographer GM/CA@APS X-ray Science Division, ANL 9700 S. Cass Ave. Argonne, IL 60439 Tel: (630)252-0665 Fax: (630)252-0667 [log in to unmask]