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So many of these surveys and the questions people have suggested emphasise short-term learning or simply attending events. I partly blame companies like MORI who push clients into asking very simple questions (to make their lives easier). I would encourage you to think about what questions you want answers to - for example, do you want to know things like... - Part A) how often people encounter science (e.g. tv/facebook) and then PART B) - after these encounters (say watching a tv documentary) - does this impact on your life? (do you change your attitude/actions to say climate change or oil consumption)? - when do they use science when thinking about an issue or a problem (i.e. when making a decision (on doing something (e.g. from fixing something yourself) to making a decision about a political issue) There have been so many surveys about attendance, be good to see something that attempts to deal more substantially with real engagement with scientific 'content' and impact on daily lives. Of course, it's easier to ask if you simply attended an event but what is this really telling us? Best, Tammy Dr. Tammy Boyce DECIPHer Centre for the Development and Evaluation of Complex Interventions for Public Health Improvement http://www.decipher.uk.net/ @tamboyce -----"psci-com: on public engagement with science" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: ----- To: [log in to unmask] From: Frank Burnet Sent by: "psci-com: on public engagement with science" Date: 10/01/2012 08:22AM Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Public Attitudes to Science Survey - more about what being involved looks like Turns out you can get too much sun , my apologies for the unintended addendum On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Ben Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: oh dear frank - too much time in the Italian sun shine. There was indeed such a survey, it was part of the evaluation of the science on the buses project and we wrote it together. And to pick up Pete's point (and you were there too at the time) the question was not meant to find out if people socialised with scientists but to discover what kinds of people would be identified from personal experience. Two interesting responses from the mists of my equally incomplete memory: Have you ever met a scientist? Yes, I am a medical receptionist and we sometimes have Professors from the University in to see the Doctors. (Edinburgh) No. (and then some minutes later). But my dad is a geneticist. (Birmingham) It seems that stereotypes and close proximity are mutually incompatible. Pip pip ben Ben Johnson Graphic Science Part of The Training Group - Supporting public engagement in the research community ( +44 (0) 1275 47 44 44 È +44 (0) 7521 690 724 › [log in to unmask] : www.graphicscience.co.uk Disclaimer: The author of this email never meant a word of it. do you really need to print this email? From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frank Burnet Sent: 30 September 2012 08:06 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Public Attitudes to Science Survey - more about what being involved looks like Somewhere in the mists of time a survey supposedly asked whether the respondents had ever met a scientist. I,ve never been able to trace it, so it may be apochryphal, but it would I think be an interesting question, adding possibly in what circumstances. Frank On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Hilary Sutcliffe <[log in to unmask]> wrote: I think it would be useful to categorise what 'being involved in science' looks like and show that its not all about going to public dialogues, so they realise they are more involved than they think. So eg filling in a survey about nutrition in a supermarket, or in about obesity in a women's mag, or a survey in the street from a campaign group about their views on climate change, or an Internet survey on badger culls by a gov dept, or by your utility company about energy use or a national newspaper poll on gm, or helping a doctor compile info on an ailment, participating in a dialogue about a new power plant etc etc is all involvement with science in some way, in that the information is used to inform views of scientists, social scientists, ngos or companies on what people think about aspects of science and sometimes changing the way they do things in response. You might disagree! In terms of learning about science it's not all about trying to get your head round the LHC or watching to Brian Cox, or going to a science centre. Reading more about sports nutrition in a sunday supplement or signing up for a green energy assessment or reading about the use of technology in cosmetics in a women's mag, or weather patterns inThe Sun, or medical advances in the daily mail (?!) or Andy Murrays fitness regime and why it works is all learning about science in some way. You may disagree about tat too! Perhaps list a huge list of ways they can be involved or learn more and ask them to tick which they have done and which they might do if asked. Also might be worth asking which scientists they know, see if anyone knows anyone other than Brian cox! It might be interesting to correlate the ups and downs of celeb science with trust in science, though perhaps you have done that already. Not got time to read again. Best regards Hilary Hilary Sutcliffe Director MATTER 07799 625064 On 28 Sep 2012, at 10:28 PM, Michael Kenward <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Looking at that study, it does make mention of Twitterdom, but I’d have thought that any follow up should go further into that domain. For example Figure 8’s “Other internet websites (not science blogs)” is a bit of a catch all. And the report has just two mentions each for Twitter and Facebook. That does not seem to be in line with their importance. The declining readership of newspapers and other print media suggests that the 33% number is a bit adrift from what really happens. It probably needs a matching question, or data drawn from other sources, on what people use to get any information, not just science. Many people now proudly boast about never reading, let alone buying, a newspaper. The 2011 survey does go into some of this, but the picture it paints does not ring true. Perhaps it needs to move further in that direction. In any case, there could be some mileage in asking internet folks some of the same questions posed about how much people trust print media. MK From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roland Jackson Sent: 2012-September-28 15:45 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Public Attitudes to Science Survey Thanks Bob. There is some stuff on trust in scientists on p41/42 of the 2011 survey http://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/sri-pas-2011-main-report.pdf including a passing reference to climate change. Do suggest specification for any more specific focus offline. Another possible dimension, on which list members might like to comment, is the value of a ‘Scientists Attitudes to Science’ survey. Would we expect scientists’ views in many areas to be significantly different from the general public, and would we ask many of the same questions…? (and some different?). Roland Sir Roland Jackson Chief Executive British Science Association Wellcome Wolfson Building 165 Queen's Gate London SW7 5HD T: +44 (0)20 7019 4926 Twitter: Roland_Jackson Website: http://www.britishscienceassociation.org The British Science Association is the operating name and trade mark of the British Association for the Advancement of Science Registered charity: 212479 and SC039236 From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert Ward Sent: 28 September 2012 15:15 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Public Attitudes to Science Survey Hi Roland, I would have responded off-list, but this may be of interest to list members. It would be good if the next public attitudes survey could explore in more depth issues around public trust in scientists, not just as a single group but also in terms of the different subject areas. A new report that has just been published this afternoon shows that only 38% of the public trust climate scientists to tell the truth about global warming: http://www.lwec.org.uk/publications/climate-science-public-and-news-media This contrasts with the annual Ipsos-MORI survey of trust in professions which regularly finds that scientists are among the most trusted to generally tell the truth, with 71% of the public agreeing in the most recent poll: http://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/Veracity2011.pdf Bob Bob Ward Policy and Communications Director Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment London School of Economics and Political Science Houghton Street London UK WC2A 2AE Tel. +44 (0) 20 7107 5413 Mob. +44 (0) 7811 320346 Web: http://www.lse.ac.uk/grantham Twitter: @ret_ward From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roland Jackson Sent: 28 September 2012 14:07 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [PSCI-COM] Public Attitudes to Science Survey I'm joining the Steering Group for the next Public Attitudes to Science survey. 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