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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture From: George Brown <[log in to unmask]> > I believe more pertinent is the theological tenet "Deus est simplex" means that God is undivided, indivisible, whole, without parts, and therefore absolutely perfect. yes. with all due respect (and sincere thanks) to Karl and Paul, that was --for some purely accidental reason-- my own thoroughly uninformed thought about what the phrase might have been aiming at. i can't recall in what specific context i came across it (nearly 40 years ago) --i believe that it was in one of the "Sentences" of Anselm of Laon. though i'm sure that it must have antedated him by quite a few years/centuries (did he *have* any "original" thoughts?). seems to me that all of the citations which Karl mentioned use it in the same sense as those in Paul's classical sources --which is to say, not in the special, "theological tenent" sense you refer to, George. surely it was not a late-11th/early 12th c. "discovery," was it? c > On Oct 2, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Paul Chandler wrote: > > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Further to Karl's comment, part of the entry from Lewis & Short: > > > > In partic., simple in a moral sense, without dissimulation, open, frank, straightforward, direct, guileless, artless, honest, sincere, ingenuous, etc. (cf. candidus).—Of persons: cum de viro bono quaeritur, quem apertum et simplicem volumus esse, non sunt in disputando vafri, non veteratores, non malitiosi, Cic. Rep. 3, 16, 26; id. Off. 1, 19, 63: simplicem et communem et consentientem ... eligi par est (opp. multiplex ingenium et tortuosum), id. Lael. 18, 65; id. Ac. 2, 35, 112: tuum hominis simplicis pectus vidimus, id. Phil. 2, 43, 111; Liv. 24, 10; Hor. S. 1, 3, 52; 2, 2, 68; id. C. 2, 8, 14; Ov. H. 12, 90; 16, 285: credebant simplices ac religiosi homines, Liv. 24, 10, 6.—Of things: fidelis et simplex et fautrix suorum regio, Cic. Planc. 9, 22: animal sine fraude dolisque, Innocuum, simplex, Ov. M. 15, 121: animus, Matius ap. Cic. Fam. 11, 28, 8: nihil simplex, nihil sincerum, Cic. Att. 10, 6, 2: virtus, Vell. 2, 129, 1: verba, Suet. Tib. 61: cogitationes, Tac. G. 22.—Comp.: simplicior quis, too straightforward, too blunt, Hor. S. 1, 3, 63.—Sup.: simplicissimi omnium habentur iracundi, Sen. Ira, 2, 16, 3: dux, Vell. 2, 116, 4: mens, Petr. 101, 3.—Hence, adv.: simplĭcĭter (acc. to I.), simply, plainly, straightforwardly, naturally, directly, utterly, without reserve, = ἁπλῶς: quorum (verborum) primum nobis ratio simpliciter videnda est, deinde conjuncte, Cic. de Or. 3, 37, 149: quaedam genera causarum simpliciter ex suā vi considerantur, id. Inv. 2, 33, 102: ipsa inventa exponentur simpliciter sine ullā exornatione, id. ib. 2, 3, 11: locuti sunt simpliciter et splendide, id. de Or. 2, 16, 68: aut simpliciter quaeritur aut comparate, id. Top. 22, 84: si est simpliciter breviterque dicendum, id. Off. 2, 9, 31; so (with breviter) id. Arch. 12, 32: illud nomen simpliciter positum, hoc ad aliquid esse, Quint. 1, 6, 13: frondes Simpliciter positae, scaena sine arte fuit, Ov. A. A. 1, 106; Tac. G. 5; cf. comp.: brevius ac simplicius tradi, Quint. 8, prooem. § 1: ignorare se dixit, quidnam perplexi sua legatio haberet, cum simpliciter ad amicitiam petendam venissent, simply, purely, only, Liv. 34, 57, 6: quidam ludere eum simpliciter, quidam haud dubie insanire, aiebant, merely, only, id. 41, 20, 4: Cyrenaica philosophia, quam ille et ejus posteri simpliciter defenderunt, Cic. de Or. 3, 17, 62: in sententiā simpliciter e re publicā ferendā, id. Red. ad Quir. 10, 24 B. and K.—Comp.: molluscum simplicius sparsum, Plin. 16, 16, 27, § 68.— > > > > On 3 October 2012 02:16, Karl Brunner <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > > > Dear Christopher, > > "simplicitas" ist in fact used in our common sense, but is also an important virtue; > > here some quotations for that: > > (1) Vera credulitas corde puro in Deum, simplex vita cum religione, largitas cum caritate (V. Idae c .21, AASS 1,1062–1068). > > (2) Erat enim statura prolixus et facie rubicundus; gerebat caesariem formosam et crinem quoque circillatam; manus habebat honestas et digitos longas; angelico vultu, simplice et prudente visu (Dado, V. s. Eligii I 12, MGH SS rer. Mer. 4, 663–741). > > (3) Jacob autem vir simplex … (Gen 25, 27). > > (4) Ambrosius, De officiis 2 X 66. > > (5) Boetius, Ad Symmachum III 7: Omne simplex esse suum et id quod est unum habet. > > and so on … > > yours > > Karl > > > > > > > > Am 02.10.2012 um 14:33 schrieb Christopher Crockett <[log in to unmask]>: > > > >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > >> > >> if Hank3 was the "vir simplex" i assume that he was just trying to follow his > >> Prototype. > >> > >> about the only thing i recall from the 12th c. theology i tried to read in the > >> original Latin is "Deus est simplex" > >> > >> i thought then (in the early '70s) and still think now that this is a quite > >> interesting concept (which, being somewhat simplex myself, i probably > >> misunderstand). > >> > >> what the devil (as it were) does it actually mean? > >> > >> is it really "a gift to be simplex"? > >> > >> c > >> > >> ------ Original Message ------ > >> Received: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 02:28:24 PM EDT > >> From: Rosemary Hayes-Milligan and Andrew Milligan > >> <[log in to unmask]> > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: [M-R] Fw: Vir simplex > >> > >>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > >>> > >>> Today's ODNB Life of the Day is H.W. 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