As I said earlier they need to be recorded separately from just sources.
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records
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Sent: 19 October 2012 10:24
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Subject: Re: Heritage Impact Assessments - Event Types or not?
Just to second Nick, Crispin, Phil, et al.
It is incredibly helpful to know about desk based activities when
undertaking new projects. To my mind, it's about creating a heritage
index that is of most use to researchers. A key element is knowing the
study area(s) for any such previous work; Being able to search,
particularly spatially, for relevant Event records is of enormous
benefit. Recording the outputs solely as a Source record attached to a
Monument(s) does not adequately achieve this, so there is a danger any
subsequent work may not appropriately reference all relevant previous
work.
As has been pointed out previously, recording such activities as Event
records is compliant with existing standards such as CIDOC-CRM and MIDAS
and does not preclude recording any report(s) as Sources associated with
the Event and the Monument(s) should you so wish.
So +1 here for recording desk based activities as Events.
Cheers,
Paul.
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Wessex Archaeology
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records
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Sent: 19 October 2012 09:06
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Subject: Re: Heritage Impact Assessments - Event Types or not?
Been away and just catching up with emails - this implies to me that you
can only gather evidence from fieldwork?
So, that means AP interpretation isn't an event either?
As I interpret the definition given in the Thesaurus Introduction, I
think they both are, and would record them.
best wishes
Nick Boldrini
Historic Environment Record Officer
Archaeology Section
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records
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Sent: 18 October 2012 11:29
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Subject: Re: Heritage Impact Assessments - Event Types or not?
Ok I will go on about it again. The site visit is the event - the DBA is
the source.
Do you record entries in Pevsner as an event?
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Chris Webster
Somerset Historic Environment Record
Somerset County Council
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records on behalf of Jenny
Hall
Sent: Wed 17/10/2012 11:18
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Subject: Re: Heritage Impact Assessments - Event Types or not?
Surely the site visit results in primary evidence? We certainly end up
with a photographic archive.
Jenny
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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Heritage Impact Assessments - Event Types or not?
Hi, Chris
We do record the fieldwork the DBAs and EIAs may contain as
events (usually surveys.). The DBAs, EIAs, etc which contain no events
but are a collation of secondary evidence are recorded as sources.
Kind Regards
Dr Rebecca Casa Hatton
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Peterborough City Council
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records
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Sent: 17 October 2012 10:28
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Subject: Re: Heritage Impact Assessments - Event Types or not?
Hi Chris,
Maybe you could qualify this by saying 'In my opinion'. In a
recent ALGAO survey 76% of respondents said that they recorded these as
events.
Phil
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records
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Sent: 16 October 2012 17:15
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Subject: Re: Heritage Impact Assessments - Event Types or not?
I don't want to go round this again but these are not events,
they should be in the HER as sources for the monuments they describe.
Chris Webster
Historic Environment Record
Somerset County Council
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records
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Sent: 16 October 2012 16:53
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Subject: Heritage Impact Assessments - Event Types or not?
Dear all
Is anyone else recording good Heritage Impact Assessments as
Events in their HERs? If so, what Event Type (as in the NMR Event Type
Thesaurus -
http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/thesaurus.asp?thes_no=566) do
you categorise them as? There isn't currently a specific term for them,
and the scope notes for DBA, EIA and Historic Area Assessment aren't
really right for what we see coming in with planning applications. I
know there is some scepticism about whether work like DBAs should be
considered as Events (and not simply as Sources) but it makes sense from
the point of view of data structure to record them as such. I would
also argue that well researched assessments do add a lot to HERs and
should be flagged up as pieces of work. Is there a need for a new
thesaurus term of Heritage Impact Assessment do you think?
Thanks
Sarah Orr
Historic Environment Record Officer
Culture and Environmental Protection
West Berkshire Council
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Newbury
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