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Great thread, as I've just realised that I will need a CRB disclosure to undertake research with disabled employees because they're "vulnerable" by definition. It doesn't seem to matter that my prospective participants are all intelligent adults perfectly able to hold down a job and do all the things everyone else does. Disability is synonymous with being vulnerable apparently! As Larry points out this is rather amusing if, like me, you're "vulnerable" too. Chris Christopher J. Rossiter PhD Researcher & PsyPAG Representative (BPS Wessex Branch) Department of Psychology & School of Management 25 AC 04 University of Surrey Guildford. GU2 7XH Twitter @dis_psych Academia.edu: http://surrey.academia.edu/ChristopherRossiter ________________________________________ From: The Disability-Research Discussion List [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Roisin Dermody [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 02 October 2012 13:59 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Vulnerable adults Thank you everyone for all the great feedback! And thank you to those of you who mailed me off list with suggestions and documents, I will respond when I get a chance. It's so helpful to be able to put a question out there at 2 am when the brain has switched off, get feedback (and some sleep) and start a fresh:-) Best wishes Róisín Róisín Dermody [log in to unmask] +353-87-9370-337 On 2 Oct 2012, at 12:28, Larry Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Well as both a trustee of a charity who are involved with what I will > describe as the legal interpretation of "Children and Vulnerable Adults" and > a researcher whose participants are constructed within the category of > vulnerable adults too, I have to comply with this rigmarole of CRB check. > > There have been some enormous ironies in this, as I fall within the legal > definition of that group myself, forever infantilised by convention and > prescript. I could tell an anecdote or too about that and how it has > impacted negatively on my research in at least one instance, you see there > are some institutions that in wishing to maintain a hegemony and to impose > there normalising perspective on people of my particular difference (hey > how's that for a new and ultimately very silly "people first" euphemism?) > would consider the last thing to be desired is any peer contact between > "vulnerable adults" > > I think I should go and stand in the naughty corner right now, as I realise > that only last week I attended an event at my alma mater unchaperoned by any > but my dangerous peers. Good heavens inmates taking over the asylum at jolly > old Brum! > > Larry > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: The Disability-Research Discussion List [mailto:DISABILITY- >> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anne Cunningham >> Sent: 02 October 2012 12:19 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: Vulnerable adults >> >> I agree with Jenny completely. We tend to talk about actions that put > people at risk. >> However I'm not sure how you square that with the legal needs of e.g CRB > checks in >> relation to vulnerable adults, including identifying who can make someone > vulnerable. >> >> Does anyone have any practical experience of negotiating a solution > through this where >> outside agency/legal requirements come into play? >> >> Best >> >> Anne >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: The Disability-Research Discussion List [mailto:DISABILITY- >> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of jennymorris >> Sent: 02 October 2012 12:04 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: Vulnerable adults >> >> It's a social model versus medical model issue: to describe someone as a > 'vulnerable >> adult' is to make the individual the problem, rather than the context in > which they >> experience their impairment/illness or other characteristic. >> >> A social model approach recognises that someone is not 'vulnerable' > because of their >> impairment but because of the way society responds to them. So for > example, a person >> who does not use speech to communicate is vulnerable to abuse if they are > exposed to >> abusive people who see them as an easy target and if others do not take > the trouble >> understand how they communicate what they have experienced. >> >> Or, if someone was blind/partially sighted, they are vulnerable to injury > if they are not >> provided with the assistance/equipment to enable them to safely move > around a strange >> environment. >> >> 'Vulnerability' is created by others, not a characteristic of the > individual. >> >> So if I was having to write such a document as you refer to, rather than > talk about >> 'vulnerable adults' I would try and place the emphasis on others' >> behaviours rather than on the disabled person. >> >> But I know it's hard! >> >> Jenny >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: The Disability-Research Discussion List [mailto:DISABILITY- >> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roisin Dermody >> Sent: 02 October 2012 02:10 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Vulnerable adults >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I'm involved with a sports organization for people who are blind/vision > impaired and >> we are updating our policy documents which include child protection and > volunteer >> policies. >> For funding and insurgence purposes, we need to make reference to > "vulnerable >> adults", which makes me uncomfortable as I don't consider myself a > "vulnerable adult". >> I have worded the document in such a way so that it doesn't refer to all > of us who are >> blind/vision impaired to be "vulnerable adults" at all times. >> so I need a definition of "vulnerable adults" which I can live with. >> Can anyone suggest a definition that is respectful and maintains the > dignity of the >> "vulnerable adult" ? >> >> Thanks, >> Roisin >> >> >> >> >> Róisín Dermody >> [log in to unmask] >> +353-87-9370-337 >> >> ________________End of message________________ >> >> This Disability-Research Discussion list is managed by the Centre for > Disability Studies >> at the University of Leeds (www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies). >> >> Enquiries about list administration should be sent to disability-research- >> [log in to unmask] >> >> Archives and tools are located at: >> www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html >> >> You can VIEW, POST, JOIN and LEAVE the list by logging in to this web > page. >> >> ________________End of message________________ >> >> This Disability-Research Discussion list is managed by the Centre for > Disability Studies >> at the University of Leeds (www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies). >> >> Enquiries about list administration should be sent to disability-research- >> [log in to unmask] >> >> Archives and tools are located at: >> www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html >> >> You can VIEW, POST, JOIN and LEAVE the list by logging in to this web > page. >> >> ________________End of message________________ >> >> This Disability-Research Discussion list is managed by the Centre for > Disability Studies >> at the University of Leeds (www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies). >> >> Enquiries about list administration should be sent to disability-research- >> [log in to unmask] >> >> Archives and tools are located at: > www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html >> >> You can VIEW, POST, JOIN and LEAVE the list by logging in to this web > page. > > ________________End of message________________ > > This Disability-Research Discussion list is managed by the Centre for Disability Studies at the University of Leeds (www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies). > > Enquiries about list administration should be sent to [log in to unmask] > > Archives and tools are located at: www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html > > You can VIEW, POST, JOIN and LEAVE the list by logging in to this web page. ________________End of message________________ This Disability-Research Discussion list is managed by the Centre for Disability Studies at the University of Leeds (www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies). 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