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Yes, to back up Peter, you have the history wrong. The real animosity was between time triallists and those who wanted to do mass races as in Europe. The time triallists were terribly diffident about their sport and arranged the time trials at very early times in the morning (e.g. Sunday morning) so as not to inconvenience car drivers. They also tended to wear black wool so as not to bother people with bright fabrics. Actually, I was pretty sure that book mentioned all this. I'm vague about this - but I suspect that is why audax and latterly sportif events came about - it was partly a way to get round the antipathy by the authorities to racing. I note that this is still continuing. An interesting example recently was I think a month before the Olympics one of the races around Box Hill was stopped by police. The organisers complained that there seemed quite zealous policing - but there are two sides to every story. http://road.cc/content/news/62519-police-and-cyclists-loggerheads-over-surrey-league-race-cancellation alan munro On 31 Oct 2012, at 09:52, Peter Cox wrote: > Hmm > Not quite > CTC first organised touring club 1878. During 1930's CTC local groups also created racing sections, collaborated with NCU and CTT on campaigns (see Cox, P. (2012) "A Denial of our Boasted Civilisation": cyclists' view on conflicts over road use in Britain, 1926-1935 Transfers, 2 (3) 4-30). Hilton's work is a good memoir but not a history - Life's much more complicated. If you want real animosity then the conflict between the NCU and the BLRC is the one you want.... they only officially buried the hatchet and issued formal apologies last year after 70 years. Cycling (the 'racing' paper) also carried touring articles right through into the 1960s. > > Antipathies between clubs do run deeep but these can also be like football team rivalries within a locale. > > Peter Cox > Senior Lecturer > Department of Social Studies and Counselling > University of Chester > Parkgate Road, Chester > CH1 4BJ, United Kingdom > +44 (0)1244 512039 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Speed, Ewen S > Sent: 31 October 2012 09:32 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Cycling club membership > > Hi > > This is an interesting discussion and is something I have been thinking about in terms of the UK case. Tim Hilton in his excellent book "one more kilometre and we're in the showers" talks about deep seated historical animosity between tourers (opposed to racing) and Leaguers - racers and time trialists...I get the sense from Hilton that this legacy runs deep in UK cycling. As I understand it, the tourers morphed into the CTC (and I get the sense that the CTC generates much antipathy, rather like marmite, you either love them or hate them). I am not sure what organisations the leaguers morphed into, (British Cycling maybe?) but I am sure these antipathies could still play a part in club memberships, what sorts of clubs attract what sort of riders etc.... > > best, Ewen > > Ewen Speed, PhD > > Senior Lecturer in Medical Sociology > Graduate Director (Research) > School of Health & Human Sciences > University of Essex > CO4 3SQ > > e: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > blog: www.cost-ofliving.net<http://www.cost-ofliving.net> > > > > > > > On 31 Oct 2012, at 09:05, heston roop <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > There are many clubs focused across the entire spectrum of cycling. I studied and compiled many people's experiences in the US midwest and southeast. Mostly road racers; but there were many MTN biking clubs, cyclocross and track racing clubs as well as recreation type clubs. An excellent example of recreational clubs that are family orientaed look at RABRI "ride across Iowa" participants as well as rides such as Multiple Siroccos ride. > Best, > Heston Roop > > From: burton richard <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: Cycling club membership > > Not sure I'd describe them as meeting the needs of the entire community. From their website, they seem to be almost totally dedicated to competitive cycling: no family rides, no beginners rides. > > On 30 October 2012 19:47, Richard Lewis <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > Mirela, > > If anyone can tell you the answer to this, the organisers of Cycling Club Hackney can. Have a look at their website to see how they meet the needs of the entire community. > > cyclingclubhackney.co.uk/<http://cyclingclubhackney.co.uk/> > > Regards > Richard. > > > On Tue, 2012-10-30 at 14:28 +0000, Mirela Oliver, Research Assistant > wrote: >> Does anyone know of any research into cycling club membership needs and/ or member's requirements when joining a cycling clu? >> >> Mirela Oliver, Research Assistant on behalf of Graham Berridge, School of Hospitality and Tourism, University of West London.