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I agree about the task of deciding whether the website was a W/E/M is complicated without seeing the website. I just read the description, which I read as being something independent which had a lot of content not directly related to the text, i.e. a general resource for cataloguing non-print materials, but this might just be me and I wish that I had had time to look at the website ... Certainly brings up some interesting issues about the relationship between companion websites and texts! Best wishes, Debbie Deborah Lee Senior cataloguer Book Library Courtauld Institute of Art Somerset House Strand London WC2R 0RN Telephone: 020 7848 2905 Email: [log in to unmask] Now on at The Courtauld Gallery: Peter Lely: A Lyrical Vision 11 October 2012 - 13 January 2013 -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Doyle Sent: 25 October 2012 14:27 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 9 - discussion I couldn't think of anything better! One of my (numerous) issues with this one was that I didn't know what was on the CD/website. If they are essentially the book but just in a different format, then I think that's a related manifestation. But if they have new/extra/different content, I thought they'd be related expressions - RDA's example of related expressions includes expanded/revised/abridged versions of things. But then, if the authors conceived of their project as a "book-with-a-CD-and-a-website", does that make all three bits part of one overarching Work? HelenD. Helen Doyle Assistant Librarian Royal Academy of Dance 36 Battersea Square London SW11 3RA 0207 326 8032 >>> Helen Williams <[log in to unmask]> 10/25/2012 2:18 pm >>> Helen, I like the 'expanded by' related expression you've added for the CD ROM. I'd not thought of that. In terms of the website, which quite a few of us seem unsure about, I opted for related expression, because it looked too different from the book to be a related manifestation, but I wasn't sure if it constituted a new work. Helen -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Doyle Sent: 25 October 2012 14:09 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 9 Me too! No. 9 attached. Helen Doyle Assistant Librarian Royal Academy of Dance 36 Battersea Square London SW11 3RA 0207 326 8032 >>> Bernadette Mary O'Reilly <[log in to unmask]> >>> 10/25/2012 2:03 pm >>> Nervous about this one. I've hardly looked at RDA for non-print yet. Hoping other people will provide me with some good models. Also interested in how far people record companion websites. We often ignore them, because they either are available only to purchasers or cease to be available pretty soon, so readers would get mad ; but this policy verges on misrepresentation, since it may suggest that the resource is freestanding when it isn't. Best wishes, Bernadette Record 9. Describing electronic, digital, and .... Field Ind. Data RDA Inst. LDR/7 m LDR/18 i 008/22 008/35-37 eng 020 $a9781856046848 040 ## $e rda 100 1# $aWeber, Mary Beth, $eauthor. 245 10 $aDescribing electronic, digital, and other media using AACR2 and RDA : $ba how-to-do-it manual and CD-ROM for librarians / $cMary Beth Weber, Fay Angela Austin. 250 ## $aUK edition. 264 #1 $aLondon : $bFacet Publishing, $c2011. 264 #4 $c(c)2011. 300 ## $axviii, 301 p. : $billustrations, $c28 cm + $e1 CD-ROM. 336 ## $atext $2rdacontent 337 ## $aunmediated$rdamedia 338 ## $avolume$2rdacarrier 336 ## $aunspecified$2rdacontent 337 ## $acomputer$rdamedia 338 ## $acomputer disc$2rdacarrier Companion website is too feeble to be worth 3XX. 500 ## $aAccompanying CD-ROM provides guidance for creating descriptive records, links to online sources and templates (MARC, MODS, Dublin Core). 500 ## $aCompanion website has links to mainstream cataloguing resources, some of them subscription-only. 500 ## $aPublished simultaneously in U.S.A. by Neal-Schuman. 500 ## $aReplaces: Cataloging nonprint and internet resources. U.S. : Neal-Schuman, 2002. This was the best I could do with the idea that the earlier work was the 'predecessor' of the current one. The term suggests a different work, not just an earlier version, so I'm treating the 2011 resource as a new work. I'm sticking to the old AACR2 format for citations, because it is simple and neat. Hard to explain to new cataloguers, though, because there are no areas of description nowadays. 700 1# $aWeber, Mary Beth. $tCataloging nonprint and internet resources. ******************* Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian 01865 2-77134 Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. ******************* Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://lse.ac.uk/emailDisclaimer The Courtauld Institute of Art is a company limited by guarantee (registered in England and Wales, number 04464432) and an exempt charity. 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