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Thanks for tracking this down. Phew indeed! Some of the "other title information" I was referring to can fill up most of the title page! Vanessa Freedman Hebrew & Jewish Studies Librarian UCL Library Services University College London Gower Street London WC1E 6BT Tel: +44 (0) 20 7679 2598 (Internal ext. 32598) Fax: +44 (0) 20 7679 7373 E-mail: [log in to unmask] Website: www.ucl.ac.uk/library **Please remember the environment and only print this if necessary** -----Original Message----- From: C.J. Carty [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of C.J. Carty Sent: 25 October 2012 12:35 To: Freedman, Vanessa Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8 - discussion Ah, wait, 2.3.4.3 says to record other title info following instructions in 2.3.1. If you go there you'll see that in 2.3.1.4 there *is* an optional omissions for abridging so I would say this also applies to other title info. Phew! On Oct 25 2012, Freedman, Vanessa wrote: > This is relevant for some older Hebrew books, where the title page can > often be a kind of blurb - AACR2 gives you the option to abridge > lengthy other title information, but I can't see this in RDA - though > I may be missing it. > >Vanessa > >Vanessa Freedman >Hebrew & Jewish Studies Librarian >UCL Library Services >University College London >Gower Street >London WC1E 6BT > >Tel: +44 (0) 20 7679 2598 (Internal ext. 32598) >Fax: +44 (0) 20 7679 7373 >E-mail: [log in to unmask] >Website: www.ucl.ac.uk/library > >**Please remember the environment and only print this if necessary** > > > > -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bernadette Mary > O'Reilly > Sent: 25 October 2012 12:17 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: > [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8 - discussion > > I don't feel too happy about putting a lot of weight on that example. > I'm not sure why the phrase was taken to be OTI rather than an edition > statement - perhaps something to do with the layout? > > The statement in Example 8 is verging on blurb/advertising. Since it > contained edition information I just extracted that. Otherwise I would > have seriously considered treating it as a quoted note rather than as > any kind of title information. I don't have very strong feelings in > this case, but I'm sure we will come across examples where there are > much, much longer and more blurbish statements between the title > proper and the statement of responsibility and I would be very > reluctant to treat them as title information. > >Best wishes, >Bernadette > >******************* >Bernadette O'Reilly >Catalogue Support Librarian >01865 2-77134 >Bodleian Libraries, >Osney One Building >Osney Mead >Oxford OX2 0EW. >******************* > > > -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Doyle Sent: 25 > October 2012 12:04 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: > [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8 - discussion > >Edition statement: > > RDA 2.5.2.6 has an example (4th one down) which I used as the > rationale behind this one. "If edition statement is integral to other > title information, record it as such and do not record a further > designation of edition". > > The 4th example says "a revised and augmented edition of...", so I > took that. However, I then can't include 'fully revised and updated' > as I'm not allowed to include another edition statement. > > BUT I object to treating this as a subtitle!! Feels wrong on so many > levels! > >HelenD. > >Helen Doyle >Assistant Librarian > >Royal Academy of Dance >36 Battersea Square >London >SW11 3RA >0207 326 8032 > > >>>> Helen Williams <[log in to unmask]> 10/25/2012 11:59 am >>> >Hi Helen > > I was very unsure about your first point too. In the end I didn't put > it as a subtitle, because I'd effectively recorded the same > information in the designation of edition, and in note on title... But > I wasn't convinced that was correct. > >Helen > > > > -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Doyle Sent: 25 > October 2012 11:54 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: > [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8 > >No. 8. > > Issues: 1) is that edition statement a subtitle?? (I have lots of > notes going back-and-forth on this!) 2) I went with previous editions > being related expressions - ? > >HelenD. > > > >Helen Doyle >Assistant Librarian > >Royal Academy of Dance >36 Battersea Square >London >SW11 3RA >0207 326 8032 > > >>>> Wendy Taylor <[log in to unmask]> 10/25/2012 11:50 am >>> >Wendy (RNIB) > > > Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic > communications disclaimer: http://lse.ac.uk/emailDisclaimer > -- Céline Carty English Cataloguing Cambridge University Library Cambridge CB3 9DR