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Bernadette,

Am I supposed to be part of that "we"? I do hope not. Quite apart from not representing my position, it's not a rhetorical device I ever enjoy!

"As long as I understand it [RDA's position regarding editors] and can explain it to students, that's all that really concerns me [here]."


Anne

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On 24 Oct 2012, at 21:54, "Bernadette Mary O'Reilly" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Is there a risk that we are taking FRBR a bit too seriously?

 

Wasn’t the original idea to model user tasks in order to decide how to present data in the most user-friendly way?  But FRBR has already turned into an ontology and risks turning into a metaphysics or a theology, where we worry about giving any entity too little status or too much, although some of the entities we are dealing with, such as distinct intellectual/artistic ideas untainted by any form or medium, perhaps do not exist at all – they are just useful abstractions. 

 

Trying very hard to do justice to every kind of intellectual/artistic input tends to  result in a proliferation of ‘works’ which is confusing and therefore counter-productive.  (I rather think that some of LC’s original guidelines on compilations and collaborations tended that way and had to be withdrawn.)   Better to be a bit simplistic and prioritise organising data in whatever way is most useful to most people for most purposes, favours efficient system design, and does not make excessive demands on pressurised and low-paid inputters of data.  Most good simplifications work by selective misrepresentation.

 

Best wishes,

Bernadette

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From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Welsh, Anne
Sent: 24 October 2012 19:33
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Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Creators, editors and compilations

 

Thanks, Alan.

 

That covers exactly what I want to know.

 

I may not agree with the treatment in RDA (I didn't agree with it in AACR2, being based on a narrow view of editorial roles) but as long as I understand it and can explain it to students that's all that really concerns me.

 

Kindest and best

 

Anne


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On 24 Oct 2012, at 19:23, "Danskin, Alan" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear all,

 

Here are my comments on this afternoon's discussion.  Thanks to you all for your readiness to grapple with some tricky examples.

 

Creator

 

A creator is responsible for the cretation of a work which is, "A distinct intelllectual or artistic creation"

 

Editor

The relationship designator "editor" cannot be used in relation to a work, as an "editor" contributes to an expression.  However, someone who is described as an editor in the SOR , may be deemed to be an author if the extent of their revision or adaptation is judged to result in the creation of  a new work.  This is a question of judgment and will depend on the evidence in the resource itself or obtained by comparing both resources.  Pragmatically we will consider new editions to be new expresssions rather than new works unless there. is compelling evidence to the contrary. See also 6.27.1.5

 

Editor of compilation

The relationship designator "editor of compilation "  also denotes a relationship to an expression, not a work.  This would be used for someone who has contributed to an aggregate work, such as anthology. 

 

If the anthology consists of the works of a single person, family, or corporate body, that person would be the creator and the preferred title for  the work would  be either a conventional collective title  or an established title.  The authorised access point for the work, would be contructed from the name of the creator followed by the preferred title for the work -.  6.2.2.10,/6.27.1.2

 

If the anthology includes  works of more than one person, family, or corporate body.  The "editor of the compilation" is recorded as a contributor (MARC 700)- the aggregate work is identifed by its title (130 or 245). 6.27.1.4

 

 The contents  of the anthology are  related works and can be fully analysed or recorded in MARC terms in contents note (505) or analytical authorised acccess point 700 _2))

 

Compiler

A compiler is someone who creates a new work by putting together data or information tather than by aggregating existing works.