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Thanks Tom, that's really helpful! Debbie Deborah Lee Senior cataloguer Book Library Courtauld Institute of Art Somerset House Strand London WC2R 0RN Telephone: 020 7848 2905 Email: [log in to unmask] Now on at The Courtauld Gallery: Peter Lely: A Lyrical Vision 11 October 2012 – 13 January 2013 -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Meehan, Thomas Sent: 24 October 2012 11:59 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Discussion of record 2 AACR2 also includes the word "ISBN" and the dashes in the ISBN (1.8B1). They are explicitly not carried in MARC21: "The initialism ISBN, the phrase ISBN (invalid), and the embedded hyphens are not carried in the MARC record. They may be system generated as display constants associated with the content of subfields $a and $z, respectively." (http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd020.html) The question remains of what to do with them if not using MARC. Tom --- Thomas Meehan Head of Current Cataloguing Library Services University College London Gower Street London WC1E 6BT [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Clifford, Katrina M Sent: 24 October 2012 11:05 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Discussion of record 2 The ISBN hyphenation issue came up when I ran cataloguing training and it's still down on my 'list of things to check' as to how our LMS handles both types... Katrina -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lee, Deborah Sent: 24 October 2012 10:50 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Discussion of record 2 I found it odd to add the punctuation in the ISBN (years of AACR2 practices die hard, I guess!!), and wonder whether our system will file the ISBNs correctly. I also wonder about whether we need "ISBN" at the front of the ISBNs, as I noticed some of us have done this and some not. In the MARC environment, would this be superseded by the field display tag? (Just wondering ...) Debbie Deborah Lee Senior cataloguer Book Library Courtauld Institute of Art Somerset House Strand London WC2R 0RN Telephone: 020 7848 2905 Email: [log in to unmask] Now on at The Courtauld Gallery: Peter Lely: A Lyrical Vision 11 October 2012 – 13 January 2013 -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nicky Ransom Sent: 24 October 2012 10:46 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Discussion of record 2 Helen, I think I read that during the RDA test, the instruction was to record both dates, so that is why older records and some practices still show this perhaps? Nicky Ransom Data Quality Manager & Cataloguer University for the Creative Arts Farnham GU9 7DS 01252 892739 [log in to unmask] The Courtauld Institute of Art is a company limited by guarantee (registered in England and Wales, number 04464432) and an exempt charity. 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