In fact they are Trojan

 

 

But then the earliest names in the Wessex king lists are British ...

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of THOMAS, Roger J C
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Subject: Re: A slightly different burial

Quite so, that thought had already crossed my mind. We Romano British need to stick together in the face of these invaders.

 

Roger J C Thomas

 

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Sent: 26 September 2012 15:05
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Subject: Re: A slightly different burial

They’re all Anglo-Saxon usurpers…!

 

Marion

(Been in Wales 25 years but directly descended from Anglo-Saxon Yeoman farmers living in Pett, Sussex c.1605, before you all start shouting!)

 

 

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Don’t you mean Edwin of Northumbria!!

 

 

Aella of Sussex was the first bretwalda !

 

 

But surely true monarchs would have to be descended from Penda.

 

 

 

If we’re going down this line I would point out that none of them are legitimate – since none are descended from the line of Alfred the Great and the house of the Cerdicingas.

Not to be pedantic… ;-)

 

 

 

Chris

Richard was regent his bastardisation of Edward IV sons was overturned by Henry VII, hence Edward VI, it may depend if either of the sons of Edward IV survived Bosworth whether Richard was more than a regent. It would be nice to think that Harry Tudor got rid of both boys but Buckingham got rid of at least one earlier. In either case parliament ruled Richard a usurper so he never reigned. The same case applies to Queen Jane and King James III. I haven’t checked the dates so I am not sure about Charles III!

 

 

Hi David,

 

Without being drawn into discussions as to the legitimacy or otherwise of Richard’s claim to the Crown; whatever Henry Tudor might have done in order legitimize his own claim to the throne, Richard did rule as king between April 1483 and August 1485.

 

As to whether that was a ‘good thing’ or a ‘bad thing’ I leave to Sellar and Yeatman.

 

Chris

 

 

 

However as the Richard who was killed at Bosworth was attained by Henry VII therefore was never king, so a special category is not needed. The Tudors accepted Edward V (note Henry VIII son was Edward VI) as a legitimate monarch and his brother if he survived Edward’s death would have been Richard III.

 

 

I would still record it as an “inhumation.” The burial is your actual Monument record, and King Dick(?) himself would be “Human Remains” in your finds database – which is where you can go to town in the free text. Link both to the Friary Church (assuming you have a separate entry for that already) and add further detail as it is confirmed (or not) by scientific tests.

 

 

Hi Guys,

 

I know it’s not a Friday afternoon, but though I would canvass views on how I might record a burial site that might be that of a certain king slain at Bosworth.

 

Currently the only appropriate term would be ‘inhumation’. Save for the fact it was in the east end of a friary church and bears what may have been fatal wounds inflicted in battle the burial is quite plain. So should I coin a new term if the DNA tests proves him to be King Dick?

 

Chris

 

 

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