In fact they are Trojan
David Evans
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Sent: 26 September 2012 16:14
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But then the earliest names in the Wessex king lists are British ...
Chris Webster
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Somerset County Council
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Sent: 26 September 2012 15:23
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Quite so, that thought had already crossed my mind. We Romano British
need to stick together in the face of these invaders.
Roger J C Thomas
Assistant Designation Adviser (West)
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Sent: 26 September 2012 15:05
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They're all Anglo-Saxon usurpers...!
Marion
(Been in Wales 25 years but directly descended from Anglo-Saxon Yeoman
farmers living in Pett, Sussex c.1605, before you all start shouting!)
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pete Boland (Historic_Env)
Sent: 26 September 2012 14:57
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Don't you mean Edwin of Northumbria!!
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Sent: 26 September 2012 14:55
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Aella of Sussex was the first bretwalda !
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Sent: 26 September 2012 14:51
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But surely true monarchs would have to be descended from Penda.
Chris Wardle
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Planning & Economic Development
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Sent: 26 September 2012 14:36
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If we're going down this line I would point out that none of them are
legitimate - since none are descended from the line of Alfred the Great
and the house of the Cerdicingas.
Not to be pedantic... ;-)
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Chris
Richard was regent his bastardisation of Edward IV sons was overturned
by Henry VII, hence Edward VI, it may depend if either of the sons of
Edward IV survived Bosworth whether Richard was more than a regent. It
would be nice to think that Harry Tudor got rid of both boys but
Buckingham got rid of at least one earlier. In either case parliament
ruled Richard a usurper so he never reigned. The same case applies to
Queen Jane and King James III. I haven't checked the dates so I am not
sure about Charles III!
David Evans
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Sent: 26 September 2012 12:10
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Hi David,
Without being drawn into discussions as to the legitimacy or otherwise
of Richard's claim to the Crown; whatever Henry Tudor might have done in
order legitimize his own claim to the throne, Richard did rule as king
between April 1483 and August 1485.
As to whether that was a 'good thing' or a 'bad thing' I leave to Sellar
and Yeatman.
Chris
Chris Wardle
City Archaeologist
Planning & Economic Development
A11, New Walk Centre
Leicester. LE1 6ZG
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Sent: 26 September 2012 11:47
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However as the Richard who was killed at Bosworth was attained by Henry
VII therefore was never king, so a special category is not needed. The
Tudors accepted Edward V (note Henry VIII son was Edward VI) as a
legitimate monarch and his brother if he survived Edward's death would
have been Richard III.
David Evans
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Sent: 26 September 2012 11:22
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I would still record it as an "inhumation." The burial is your actual
Monument record, and King Dick(?) himself would be "Human Remains" in
your finds database - which is where you can go to town in the free
text. Link both to the Friary Church (assuming you have a separate entry
for that already) and add further detail as it is confirmed (or not) by
scientific tests.
Rod Millard
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Sent: 26 September 2012 10:58
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Hi Guys,
I know it's not a Friday afternoon, but though I would canvass views on
how I might record a burial site that might be that of a certain king
slain at Bosworth.
Currently the only appropriate term would be 'inhumation'. Save for the
fact it was in the east end of a friary church and bears what may have
been fatal wounds inflicted in battle the burial is quite plain. So
should I coin a new term if the DNA tests proves him to be King Dick?
Chris
Chris Wardle
City Archaeologist
Planning & Economic Development
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Leicester. LE1 6ZG
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