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Chris PS I've come across a wee paper on The Virtual and the Ether (that is Kant and Deleuze) - I don't know if it will interest you but it's at: http://dundee.academia.edu/BethLord/Papers/264239/The_Virtual_and_the_Ether_Transcendental_Empiricism_In_Kants_Opus_Postumum On 16 August 2012 08:06, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Had a quick, preliminary read, Chris, and enjoyed it. > > I liked: > > > (Gilles Deleuze) My aim is to arrive at a fabulous conception of time. > > *Comptesse: *inaudible comment > > > :) > > > > > > > On 16 August 2012 07:26, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > >> Thanks Chris, I'll take a careful look at that when I can. I am afraid I >> am all too familiar with crude materialists, from the receiving end of >> power. I know about Marx or Marxism being used by capitalist propagandists, >> perhaps what is more pertinent here is how much poetry is used likewise. >> From postmodernistas through to poetry slams to the cult of the trivial. >> >> On 15 August 2012 23:05, chris Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> On 11/08/12 16:29, David Bircumshaw wrote: >>> >>>> given >>>> Deleuze's supposed credentials) like contemporary bourgeois managerial >>>> >>> >>> Capitalism will always adapt ideas to suit it's needs, even Marx gets >>> drawn into this. I recently heard a research paper on accounting that used >>> Marx. The imperial nature of capitalism. Beware of, and this is not an >>> insulting term, crude materialist and simple empiricist observations. This >>> Marx warns again, esp after his break with Aristotle, end of Cap Vol 1 Ch 1. >>> >>> Deleuze doesn't write for a supposed socialist future, that would be >>> Utopian. He is writing for the time and takes Marx seriously when Marx says >>> all philosophy is idealist. The virtual is Idea or ideal or I. It is also >>> D's transcendental, which is not a priori, since virtual comes after, >>> hence his importance since her was the first to develop this logic. (The >>> analytic philosopher read and use him, as do quite a few scientists.) >>> >>> I can't understand Dominic's comments, they appear to be returning to >>> Aristotle's categories, which I know he doesn't intend, maybe this is a >>> consequence of DeLanda? Also, not being able to take into account >>> difference. Don't trust DeLanda, Zizek or oter writers on Deleuze, they are >>> doing their own thing, rather then explaining Deleuze. I would say the same >>> of Badiou who is concerned with Virtual as monist. >>> >>> Deleuze has a cruel rigorous logic so there is little to gain by >>> attempting to break it. >>> >>> Zekek in notorious for his misreading and his understanding desire as >>> idealist marks his own idealism, which he mistakes as materialism. However >>> many philosophers writing today do use Deleuze for their own writing. This >>> is not unusual. Ray Brassier has a question which he thinks Deleuze slides >>> over too quickly and is working on this. >>> >>> Deleuze uses Kant's critique in his discussion of dx (DR) which is not >>> derived from x (differntial mathematics derives it proof from X ) and the >>> problem and Idea in Kant. Philosophers don't solve a problem and move onto >>> the next one, the problems remain with the question. >>> >>> I may paste a discussion of the virtual and actual, from Difference and >>> Repetition, into my blog on narrative POV, after checking, but fear it is >>> very heavy going. >>> >>> Unfortunately there is no easy way to understand Deleuze then to closely >>> read the texts. Not an undertaking to take lightly, Especially Difference >>> and Repition, Logic of Sense and A Thousand Plateaus. >>> >>> The below url is a transcipt of D's lecture on Kant... (He wrote the >>> text book) >>> >>> http://www.webdeleuze.com/php/**texte.php?cle=66&groupe=Kant&**langue=2<http://www.webdeleuze.com/php/texte.php?cle=66&groupe=Kant&langue=2> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> David Joseph Bircumshaw >> ** >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet >> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw >> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave >> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ >> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com >> >> > > > -- > David Joseph Bircumshaw > ** > Website and A Chide's Alphabet > http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw > twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave > blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ > Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com > > -- David Joseph Bircumshaw ** Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com