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dear simon, thanks for the hints. the model that you describe is familiar from a number of practice-based art PhD programs (Malmo Art Academy at Lund University run something similar). this is useful, though i had hoped to aim my question in a slightly different direction: are there PhD programs that are open for artists and more clearly placed in the field or on the border of *engineering*? to be honest, i have no idea what engineering PhDs look like these days, but i fantasise about a PhD project that is akin to a technical invention, the thesis looking more like a patent application than a philological monograph (the latter format can be impossible for artists who have the technical and conceptual but not the writing skills). just a dream? -a Am 20.08.12 18:56, schrieb Simon Biggs: > Our PhDs can do something like this, although they still need to deliver > 50% of their output in the form of a thesis. However, our focus is > research through practice (rather than research into practice) so the > practice is where we hope to see the main research being undertaken. In > this case the thesis is used to articulate the context of the research > (both practice and theory), the analytical framework, the criteria for > evaluation, an outline of the research methods and a detailed > description of the work undertaken, with a concise outline of the final > outcomes. We have students undertaking PhDs co-supervised between > art/design/architecture and computing/informatics/engineering, as well > as crossing over into the humanities and social sciences. We also have > some working in bio-engineering as creative practice, which is a growth > area (sorry about the pun). > > The key thing with a PhD, as with all research, is that it has to > deliver novel insights of value to others, not just the person doing it, > and to do this the outcomes have to be articulated in a public context > where others can readily access and understand the work. That is a > challenge for any researcher, not just a PhD. > > Aside from here at Edinburgh I'm aware that Newcastle, Queen Mary, > Lancaster and Goldsmiths support such PhDs, as do MIT, UC Irvine and > Carnegie Mellon in the USA. There are others as well, including in > Australia and Canada. > > best > > Simon > > > On 20 Aug 2012, at 17:17, Andreas Broeckmann wrote: > >> dear friends, >> >> over the last weeks i've had two requests for advice from artists who >> are working with digital technologies and who feel that career-wise it >> might be good to do a PhD, even though they are both not the "i want >> to sit down, study a theoretical topic related to my practice, and >> work on a philological book for 3 years" types. >> >> rather, they are artist-engineers who build things and invent new >> usages of old and new technologies, their's is an artistic practice >> that is closely related to the construction and moulding of ideas in >> technical hardware. >> >> what i am wondering is whether for artists like this, rather than >> going into heady art&research PhD programs, it would not be better to >> try and find a *technical* department that understands the cultural >> significance of their work. if they have to submit a phd-thesis about >> their work as techno-cultural-artistic devices, incl. technical and >> artistic explanations and contextualisation, that might be more >> realistic - and possibly more appropriate - to achieve? >> >> do people have experiences with such "engineering PhDs for artists"? >> and can you name schools that are open to such research, possibly in >> cooperation with a partner art school? >> >> best regards from a steaming hot berlin, >> >> -a >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> Leuphana Universität Lüneburg - Leuphana Arts Program (LAP) >> Dr. Andreas Broeckmann >> Scharnhorststraße 1, C5.225, 21335 Lüneburg, Germany >> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> http://www.leuphana.de/lap >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > Simon Biggs > [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ @SimonBiggsUK skype: simonbiggsuk > > [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> Edinburgh College of Art, > University of Edinburgh > http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.elmcip.net/ > http://www.movingtargets.co.uk/ > MSc by Research in Interdisciplinary Creative Practices > http://www.ed.ac.uk/studying/postgraduate/degrees?id=656&cw_xml=details.php >