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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Though oddly enough text on wall paintings is usually in Latin. Maddy Dr Madeleine Gray PhD, FRHistS Reader in History/ Darllenydd mewn Hanes School of Humanities and Lifelong Learning /Ysgol Ddyniaethau a Dysgu Gydol Oes University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion, Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3QT Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675 'Medical science can make us live to 90. If you haven't got the arts and humanities, what's the point of living to 90?' (Leszek Borysiewicz, VC of Cambridge) ________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of James Bugslag [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 06 August 2012 18:53 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] a question about the history of preaching in English medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Good points Jon. We will probably never know, however, how images in parish churches were exactly used proactively in pastoral pursuits, but that they were used in some way is, I believe, indisputable. A very good indication of this are the surviving examples of wall paintings, and sometimes I believe, stained glass, of images warning against blaspheming or gossiping in church - both, presumably, in the vernacular. Cheers, Jim ________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Jon Cannon [[log in to unmask]] Sent: August 6, 2012 12:25 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] a question about the history of preaching in English medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture ... though also worth emphasising that most such messages were not in the vernacular. Often, for example, one sees apostles each holding a sentence of the creed - this is invariably in Latin. English is ok for the prikke of conscience, after all the original text was in English, too; brasses and monuments suprisingly often use English to encourage prayers and meditate on momento mori-type themes; I'd be interested to know of any uses of English in stained glass and wall painting but I have a feeling they were rather unusual. PS As an afterthought, and in case this theme is relevant, I understand the earliest inscription of a bible text in English is mid/late C14 and on the ceiling of the chapel at Berkeley castle, very possible painted at a time when John Trevisa was closely associated with the family. -- Mobile: 07768 234168 Web: http://joncannon.wordpress.com<http://joncannon.wordpress.com/> (blog and main website) http://joncannonschurches.wordpress.com<http://joncannonschurches.wordpress.com/> (subsidiary blog) > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:00:00 +0000 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [M-R] a question about the history of preaching in English > To: [log in to unmask] > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > By the 15th century, many of these topics had become quite widely disseminated subjects for the stained glass of parish churches: the Credo, with Apostles sometimes paired with Prophets, sometimes with appropriate episodes from the Gospels, each accompanied by an article of the faith; the Seven Works of Mercy; etc. The parish church of All Saints North Street in York has some splendid examples, including as well the Orders of Angels and the Pricke of Conscience. I'm sure Gordon has some splendid photos of them! > Cheers, > Jim > ________________________________________ > From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of John Shinners [[log in to unmask]] > Sent: August 5, 2012 6:49 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [M-R] a question about the history of preaching in English > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > The locus classicus for English pastoral care, and by extension preaching, is Archbishop John Peckham’s (perhaps a distant relative, Bob?) canon 9, “Ignorantia sacerdotum,” from the Council of Lambeth of 1281. It is the backbone for much pastoral legislation and pastoral handbooks of the 13th century onward. Here’s my translation of the relevant passage from Powicke and Cheney’s _Council and Synods_ (pp. 900-905) : > > “To remedy this dangerous situation [of ignorant priests passing on their ignorance to parishioners] we order that four times during the year, that is once in every quarter on one or several solemn days, each priest in charge of a parish should personally explain or have someone else explain to the people in their mother tongue, without any fancifully woven subtleties, the fourteen articles of faith, the ten commandments of the Decalogue, the two precepts of the Gospel (namely the twin laws of charity), the seven works of mercy, the seven capital sins and their fruits, the seven principal virtues, and the seven grace-giving sacraments. And lest anyone, claiming ignorance, should try to excuse himself from knowledge of these things, which all ministers of the church are required to know, we have outlined them here in a brief summary.” > > Best, > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Peckham" <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2012 5:26:34 PM > Subject: [M-R] a question about the history of preaching in English > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > > While vernacular preaching what you might expect, even when stripture in in Latin, and while there is texctual evidence of vernacular preaching in medieval English, I must, as a rank amateur in the religious history of England, ask if the church as an institution gave some formal sign of concern that the laity understand what was in homilies by formally stating that they should be delivered in the language of the people. This was the case with the Councils of Tours and Mainz in 813. Did anything like this happen in England during the Middle Ages? > > > TBob > > > > Robert D. Peckham, Ph.D. > Professor of French > University of Tennessee at Martin > Chair, AATF Commission on Advocacy > > Director, Globe-gate Intercultural Web Project > > ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > -- > John Shinners > Professor, Schlesinger Chair in Humanistic Studies > Saint Mary's College > Notre Dame, Indiana 46556 > Phone: 574-284-4494 or 574-284-4534 > Fax: 284-4855 > www.saintmarys.edu/~hust > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html