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That would be fabulous Pauline. Ironically, my post is permanent and academic, though fractional. It would be great to work together to tackle this issue. Best wishes, Joelle Joelle Adams, FHEA and FSEDA Writing and Learning Centre Coordinator and FASTECH Project Developer Bath Spa University T: 01225 876365 Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk Join us on: Facebook | Twitter | YouTube | LinkedIn Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN Think before you print Disclaimer If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from your system. Any views or opinions expressed in personal emails are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Bath Spa University. Neither Bath Spa University nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for viruses. On 8 Aug 2012, at 16:04, Pauline Ridley wrote: > I think this is just the kind of thing that this network and ALDinHE could help with. If we can gather a cross section of job descriptions and pay rates from sessional tutors and student mentors through to full time senior posts then we could perhaps publish a sector good practice guide on the ALDinHE site. This approach has been helpful in other sectors like arts and museums where underpay and job insecurity are rife. > > Best wishes > Pauline > ------------ > Pauline Ridley > > > On 8 Aug 2012, at 15:45, "Joelle Adams" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Dear John, Jeanette, et al >> >> I agree - I think the rate of pay is 'shocking'; unfortunately, this is how the role has been graded by the HR department again and again. There is no option (at the moment) of hiring a permanent person on a fractional post, so this is the option we're left with. What I need is this kind of feedback to add my case about comparative roles in the sector, so if anyone has any examples of job descriptions and rates they are willing to share, I'd be most grateful. >> >> Rest assured I'm working on it.... >> >> Best wishes, >> Joelle >> >> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA >> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH >> Bath Spa University >> >> T: +44 (0)1225 876365 >> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk >> Join us on: Facebook | Twitter | YouTube | LinkedIn >> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN >> >> Think before you print >> >> Disclaimer >> If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from >> your system. Any views or opinions expressed in personal emails are solely those >> of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Bath Spa University. >> Neither Bath Spa University nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses >> and it is your responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for viruses. >> >> >> >> On 8 August 2012 12:01, Jeanette Rowley <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> I must admit, I was shocked by the rate too. >> >> >> >> Jeanette >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Hilsdon >> Sent: 08 August 2012 11:59 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide >> >> >> >> Dear Joelle and all >> >> >> >> I’m only recently back from leave and had missed your email (below). >> >> >> >> I am concerned about the rate of pay being offered here, despite your comments about there being plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. I guess I’d be less concerned if this were a graduate internship role and if it were not for your use of the word ‘senior’ in the description of the role as ‘Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate’. More specifically, the details given include the following paragraph: >> >> >> >> “You will undertake activities such as designing and delivering bespoke workshops, conducting 1:1 tutorials, and contributing to the day-to-day running of the Centre. With an excellent understanding of academic writing conventions and some experience of developing students’ learning in higher education, you’ll be a clear, confident communicator who can engage students in order to improve their learning.” >> >> >> >> These are exactly the kinds of skilled activities, and ‘profile’ I’d look for in a learning developer. Here at Plymouth University I’d not be happy having anyone conduct tutorials or teaching (‘delivering workshops’) on such a low rate of pay. I might be happier if this person were assisting with or contributing to these activities. An LD post here would start at £31,020 pa – with 30 days paid leave. This equates to about £18 per hour. For comparative purposes it may be useful to know that our undergraduate peer learning leaders are rewarded with honoraria equating to £8.00 per hour. Their key role is to plan and facilitate group learning sessions for fellow students and to liaise with Learning Developers and academics. >> >> >> >> I am sure that Joelle is offering a great opportunity for the role-holder to develop their experience in LD in higher education and it may be that I have misinterpreted the level of responsibility they will have in practice - but I felt it important to flag up these concerns. >> >> >> >> With best wishes >> >> >> >> John >> >> >> >> John Hilsdon >> Head of Learning Support and Wellbeing >> >> Room 102, 3 Endsleigh Place >> University of Plymouth >> Drake Circus >> Plymouth >> PL4 8AA >> >> 01752 587750 >> >> [log in to unmask] >> >> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.plymouth.ac.uk" claiming to be www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joelle Adams >> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:23 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University >> >> >> >> Bath Spa University is seeking a Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate at £10.35/hour. >> >> >> >> Please pass on to any suitable candidates in the Bath/Bristol area. Though the pay looks low, there are plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. All queries should be directed to me at [log in to unmask] or 01225 876365. >> >> >> >> Details are available here: http://www2.bathspa.ac.uk/services/hr/jobs/current-vacancies/07_12_CSWL.pdf >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Joelle >> >> >> >> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA >> >> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH >> >> Bath Spa University >> >> T: +44 (0)1225 876365 >> >> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk >> >> Join us on: Facebook | Twitter | YouTube | LinkedIn >> >> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN >> >> >> >> Think before you print >> >> >> >> Disclaimer >> >> If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from >> >> your system. 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