Hi all, An excellent discussion, and something I have reflected on over the last few years. You may be interested in a paper published in 'Area' (see link below) in which I calculated the travel-generated carbon emissions at the 2006 RGS conference in London: 2.5m miles were travelled by delegates attending the conference, with short and long haul flights accounting for 95.3 per cent of the carbon emissions. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1475-4762.2007.00732.x/abstract Cheers, Ed Hall. Dr. Edward Hall Geography School of the Environment University of Dundee Dundee DD1 4HN Tel: 01382 388073 Email: [log in to unmask] Webpage: www.dundee.ac.uk/geography/staff/ehall.htm<http://www.dundee.ac.uk/geography/staff/ehall.htm> New paper in Geoforum: 'Bridging the gap between employment and social care for people with learning disabilities: Local Area Co-ordination and in-between spaces of social inclusion' www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016718512000759<http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016718512000759> ________________________________ From: A forum for critical and radical geographers [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Susan Ruddick [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 31 August 2012 01:14 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Take the Train thanks for this Nick -- an illuminating if distressing paper. I think it is really important to think about ways to build an alternative travel culture -- something that allows work to be done, (I like the idea of some kind of mini-workshop en route to a destination) and that is seen as (and experienced as) an added bonus, rather than a burden. If anyone wants to seriously consider the Chicago LA train please let me know -- I understand Amtrak gives a discount for groups of 20 and it could be an incredible lead up to the conference... On 30-Aug-12, at 6:47 PM, Nicholas Gill wrote: I had reason to read up on this recently and there is some literature out there about ‘knowledge economy’ workers, specifically including university staff, and the very material nature of their travel. Interestingly this has now led to the topic ending up on my university’s environment/sustainability committee agenda. The implications for internationalisation agendas are interesting… One paper worth reading if you want to squirm: Lassen, C. (2010), 'Environmentalist in Business Class: An Analysis of Air Travel and Environmental Attitude', Transport Reviews, 30(6), 733-751. Nick Gill Dr. Nicholas Gill School of Earth and Environmental Science and Australian Centre for Cultural Enviromental Research University of Wollongong NSW 2522 Australia Ph: 02 4221 4165 Fax: 02 4221 4250 Skype: nicholas-gill1 Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Twitter: DrNickGill http://www.uow.edu.au/science/eesc/eesstaff/UOW002998.html Head of Postgraduate Studies - SEES This e-mail may have been generated using voice recognition software. Please excuse any errors or oddities. From: A forum for critical and radical geographers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of dingyannan Sent: Friday, 31 August 2012 3:25 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: 答复: Take the Train Hi all, I found this a very interesting topic to discuss. Actually train travel is gaining back customers from airlines, not to mention long distance coaches, in China. I won't say it has much to do with the environmentalist concerns of average travelers, but the high speed train could just offer what used to be a privilege of flying: punctuality and reliability. Travel with the train is still a lot cheaper than flying, especially on those Ordinary-speed (pukuai), i. e. non-high speed, trains. I have friends traveling from Shanghai to Hong Kong to attend a conference! Yannan 发自我的 Windows Phone ________________________________ 发件人: Innisfree McKinnon 发送时间: 2012/8/31 0:56 收件人: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> 主题: Re: Take the Train Hi all, I frequently take the train here on the West Coast, but there are a number of issues with Amtrak. For example, I can drive between Davis CA (my home town) and Eugene OR (where the University of Oregon is located) in about 8 hours. The train takes at least 14 and usually 16. That wouldn't be much of a problem, but the train has no wireless connection and almost no electrical outlets. Short range commuter trains in CA have wireless and outlets. It is only possible to work on a computer for however long your battery lasts. It is also difficult to sleep in the train seat and very expensive to buy a room with a bed, much more than the cost of a plane ticket. So if I was to take the train to AAG in LA, it would most likely take a minimum of 28 hours, cost as much as a plane ticket, and I would arrive exhausted from lack of sleep. I have actually done calculations about costs in time and money of train versus plane trips. In my experience, if you are traveling less than 300-400 miles, it could be cheaper and more relaxing/productive to take the train. This is all speaking from a West Coast point of view. I have had very little chance to travel by train on the East Coast, in Europe, or other parts of the world. Innisfree McKinnon PhD Candidate Department of Geography University of Oregon P.S. I also have food intolerances, which means I need to pack all my own food on long train trips. On the up side, bringing your own food saves money over buying horrible packaged junk on the train. -----Original Message----- From: Susan Ruddick <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> To: CRIT-GEOG-FORUM <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:30 Subject: Take the Train Hi Everyone I was curious given the amount of air travel we do as geographers how many people have considered taking the train (which can be a working trip with laptop) to various conference destinations (I am thinking in particular of the upcoming AAG for geographers who live in North America) just curious Sue The University of Dundee is a registered Scottish Charity, No: SC015096