medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I looked at preaching on the Continent in the Carolingian period for my PhD thesis. Unfortunately, there is a lack of evidence regarding sermons' delivery to say for sure whether they were preached in Latin or the vernacular. I found no references to the language of preaching in contemporary literary texts, and I know of only one Carolingian sermon collection in which the preacher says explicitly that he will speak in the vernacular as a concession to the layfolk in his audience (see James McCune, 'Rethinking the Pseudo-Eligius Sermon Collection', Early Medieval Europe, 16 (2008), 445-76 (pp. 459-62)). The canon from the Council of Tours in 813 referred to in Al's email implies to my mind that there was an existing tradition of preaching in Latin, which was no longer appropriate given the gulf that had opened up between the vernacular and Church Latin. I would presume that actual practice varied according to the venue or occasion i.e. when large numbers of layfolk were present on major feast days or saints' days, a bishop or priest may have decided to preach in the vernacular (for a later period see e.g. Giles Constable, 'The Language of Preaching in the Twelfth Century', Viator, 25 (1994), 131-52). My area of expertise is not Anglo-Saxon England, so I would suggest consulting e.g. M. McC. Gatch, Preaching and Theology in Anglo-Saxon England: Aelfric and Wulfstan (Toronto, 1977); M. McC. Gatch, 'The Unknowable Audience of the Blickling Homilies', Anglo-Saxon England, 18 (1989), 99-115; M. Clayton, 'Homiliaries and Preaching in Anglo-Saxon England', Peritia, 4 (1985), 207-42. Kind regards, James McCune. -----Original Message----- From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andrew Larsen Sent: 20 July 2012 00:11 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] Query medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I've wondered about this issue in reference to the Council of Claremont, where Urban II gave his famous sermon. The audience included both northern and southern French, I believe. The accounts tend to emphasize the crowd's reaction ("Deus lo volt!), as if the audience hear the sermon, understood it, and immediately responded enthusiastically. So was it preached in Latin with translators, or in Occitan (Urban, IIRC, was from southern France and so probably knew Occitan), with a translation into Northern French? Andrew E. Larsen Marquette University On Jul 19, 2012, at 5:37 PM, John Briggs wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > On 19/07/2012 23:23, James Bugslag wrote: >> >> George, >> Was it that straightforward? Preachers moved about a lot. Their mutual knowledge of Latin meant that they could converse with each other, but, for example, when St. Bernard made a preaching tour of Germany, if the sermons were to be in the vernacular, he would have had to have a translator handy, I would imagine. > > Or he didn't preach to people who didn't understand Latin. > > John Briggs > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html