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It’s not new and it’s been on this list before, but I thought this review explores the issues quite well: http://www.cfbt.com/evidenceforeducation/pdf/2ESOL-EFL_Report_WEB(2).pdf

 

There are different issues around different contexts, but it’s not really a binary distinction.

 

Phil Bird

 

Advanced Practitioner & ESOL Support lecturer

 

Barking & Dagenham College

Room D3

 

Tel: 020 8090 2030 Ext.7442

 

From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Salmond Adrian
Sent: 20 July 2012 08:44
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Subject: Re: EFL and ESOL compared , resources for Spanish/ Portuguese learners of English ?

 

Oh yes, the great EFL vs ESOL debate.

 

My favourite quote from this, when enquiring (with EFL teaching experience) about Esol jobs at an FE college, was

 

“In EFL you just teach grammar. In ESOL we teach life skills.”

 

This was from a head of Esol dept, around 10 years ago...

 

Adrian Salmond

Education Lead

John Howard Centre

London

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From: dominic mccabe [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 19 July 2012 12:56
Subject: Re: EFL and ESOL compared , resources for Spanish/ Portuguese learners of English ?

 

Hi Dominic 

 

Excellent advice from Anne Margaret. Just to say there is a 2001 edition out there of Swan and Smith. Google it.

 

Cheers Dominic

 


From: Anne Margaret Smith <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2012, 21:20
Subject: Re: EFL and ESOL compared , resources for Spanish/ Portuguese learners of English ?

 

Hi Dominic,

I know that there are certain perceptions of what 'an ESOL learner' is like, compared to what 'an EFL learner' is like, but in my experience they really are just perceptions. In the end, they are all English language learners. In this country, the main distinguishing feature is usually how much they are paying for their courses (and that is no longer such a big difference - don't get me started on that topic!).

For example, I have taught English in so-called EFL contexts in other countries across Europe, where some members of the class were newly arrived in the country, often refugees and economic migrants, some better educated than their local class mates. I have also taught ESOL classes in this country that were mostly made up of young Europeans who really planned to return home after a year or three. People don't fit into neat boxes, much as governments would like them to.

If your students feel that they need an IELTS score (for example to access HE or get a job in the NHS) then I would say: if you can, help them to achieve that. The main thing that learners want, I find, is to feel they are making progress in their language proficiency. That is true whether they are settling here in the UK or just here for a short time.

To answer your second point, the British Council accredits language schools and other English language teaching centres and inspects them regularly. Check the website for more details: http://www.britishcouncil.org/accreditation.htm

As for your third point, I'm afraid I can't really help, not knowing your learners' interests / priorities / aims. If you are concerned about the particular language issues that Spanish / Portuguese learners might face when learning English, you could do worse than consult Swan and Smith's 'Learner English' (CUP) - 25 years old but still an ELT must have ;)

Hope this helps!

Best wishes,
Anne Margaret
ELT well

On 18.07.2012 12:41, Dominic Clarke wrote:

Hello everyone

 

The gist of this enquiry is

 

a)     Can  higher levels of ESOL provision ( eg L1, L2 ) and things like IELTS/TOEFL  be sensibly  be compared with each other ?

b)    In the case of EFL provision, how is it possible to judge the quality of  provision provided by a College , eg something equivalent to an Ofsted grade but for EFL  colleges ?

c)     What resources can anyone suggest that are particularly focussed on Spanish/ Portuguese

learners of English ?

 

The background is as follows :


 
The JobCentre referred a couple of Spaniards to our organisation. They
are basically at higher level of proficiency than any of the courses we
offer however I was able to offer them suitable materials and activities
in my E3 class despite them being (in my estimation ) L1 students. One

of  the Spaniards has a doctorate and qualifications in teaching French.
 
I also have a Portuguese speaking woman , originally from Guinea Bissau
but resident in Portugal for many years.  
 
These three students are in their early to mid twenties, and are perhaps
more typical of  EFL students rather than ESOL students ( to generalise )
in terms of their age, educational background, proficiency level and rate
at which they learn language.

 

Regards

 

Dominic

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