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To clarify: my objection was not primarily to the substance of that post; it was to the tone. I don't consider it appropriate to call someone, or something someone says, stupid. Do you? On Jul 20, 2012 11:34 AM, "Enric Mendizábal Riera" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Dear all, > > First. > I am geographer: a catalan geographer. My mother tongue (my language) is > catalan (about seven million people speaks catalan in Spain, France, > Andorra and Italy). My second language is spanish, and third/fourth ones > are english and portuguese. I teach in my university in catalan. > > Crit-geographers are plenty of anglo-saxon slang. I suppose than Bruce > D'Arcus believes that everybody knows anglosaxon acronims. Well... I will > learn. And I hope when Bruce comes to Catalonia (Barcelona is the capital > of that nation), he could speak and understand catalan language and all the > catalan acronims. > > Second. > Crit-geographers is an interesting forum. There are a lot of CFP, > meetings, informations and so on of all over the world. And, of course, > there are a lot of mails that never interested me. Well, I delete and no > problem . John Cloke is a troll? Perhaps sometimes I desagree with his > mails, I delete them and no problem. I am leftist man, of course: I use > Marx, Kropotkin, Reclus, Harvey, Peet, Massey, Quaini, Lacoste, Santos and > so many others. And I believe that the most important is not to have right, > because everybody have different reasons to be right in different manners. > > Third. > I'll wait every day in the catalan morning the mails of crit-geographers. > ALL the mails. Including mails that are inteligible only for anglosaxon > people. > > Fourth. > If you can understand italian (my fifth/sixth language), then I recommend > you listen Fiorella Mannoia: an italian singer (progressist, leftist, > feminist) reciting Gramsci "I hate indifferent people" (1917): > > http://www.espai-marx.net/ca?id=7186 > > Fifth. > I beg your pardon for my bad english, my third/fourth language. > > Sincerely yours, > > Enric Mendizàbal > Departament de Geografia > Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona > > ----- Missatge original ----- > De: Bruce D'Arcus <[log in to unmask]> > Data: Divendres, Juliol 20, 2012 4:47 pm > Assumpte: Re: Uses of CRIT-GEOG-FORUM > > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Paul H. <[log in to unmask]> > > wrote: > > > "OT"?! "IMHO"?! Must we be subjected to this slippery slope into > > stupidity? > > Exactly what's so "stupid" about using a shorthand acronym? If you > > don't know what it means, learn. > > > > http://www.gaarde.org/acronyms/ > > > > And when is it really OK to berate someone on list like that? > > > > Bruce > > > > > Isn't the flattening, narrowing and enclaving characteristic of our > > > post-political scene enough? > > > > > > Paul Hanson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:00:52 +0000 > > > From: [log in to unmask] > > > Subject: Re: Uses of CRIT-GEOG-FORUM > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Matt. Yes, the delete button is amazingly handy and it > > takes almost > > > no effort to use it. Far less effort in fact than writing > > messages to the > > > entire list complaining about what one didn't want to read. And > > if you do > > > find the traffic too much or OT, you have the options of going to > > > www.jiscmail.ac.uk and changing your settings to a daily or > > weekly digest or > > > even having it set to online only so you receive nothing in your > > e-mail > > > inbox - it isn't that hard and there are easy-to-follow > > instructions for the > > > technologically challenged - or if you really think something is > > not on, > > > complaining to the listowners and see if they agree with you. > > > > > > IMHO, I always chuckle when as soon as CGF shows any sign of > > being used for > > > what it is supposed to be used for (critical geographic > > discussion) some > > > people seem to be surprised and object or post public notices of > > their> departure. If you wanted the Uncritical and Uncontroversial > > Geography Forum, > > > you were in the wrong place to begin with; the sign on the door > > is pretty > > > clear, isn't it? And to be honest, there is hardly any traffic > > on this list > > > anyway and most of the time it is simply announcements. I > > remember the time > > > back when CGF was really active and argumentative, and believe > > me, this is > > > nothing! > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > David MW. > > > > > > On 2012-07-20, at 8:33 AM, Matthew Hannah [mch] wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Like most people on the forum, I end up deleting the majority of > > entries> without reading them carefully. Few of us are going to > > be interested in the > > > entire range of themes offered up for consideration. There is > > certainly> some acrimonious debate, but I don't find it to be > > dominant in the open > > > discussions of the forum itself. As Andrew Law notes, there may > > be more > > > nastiness behind the scenes for those who venture a contestable > > comment,> which isn't a good thing. But, as in the present case, > > the acrimony itself > > > usually gets thematised shortly after it appears publicly. > > > > > > My main reason for subscribing is to keep tabs on this 'semi- > > public' level > > > of geographical debate so that I can suggest particular strands of > > > discussion to undergraduates looking for an essay topic. Most > > of my > > > students who have chosen to look at a CRIT-GEOG discussion have > > gotten a lot > > > out of the demonstration that professional geographers are also > > people for > > > whom particular issues or events elicit personal anger, dismay, > > empathy or > > > other emotions. To their credit, they usually don't conclude that > > > geographical debate is therefore completely irrational. But it > > does help > > > them to see how reason and various non-rational motivations > > intertwine and > > > inform each other. > > > > > > Given how thoroughly (especially British) undergraduates are > > instructed> these days in the centrality of affect and emotion to > > human social life, and > > > in the role of (ant-)agonism in 'the political', we shouldn't be > > at all > > > uneasy about revealing these dimensions of our own 'shop talk'. > > If the > > > overall benefit of following the forum doesn't outweigh the > > irritation, we > > > are always welcome to follow Phil in un-subscribing. > > > > > > Matt Hannah > > > > > > > > > >