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To be honest Martha, the only point I was making was that people have a choice whether or not to apply for this role, and at least it is offering some money. It will suit some people, it won't suit others. I'm not trzing to get anyone's back up, just making my point in a respectful way. That's all. Ben. Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:18:35 +0100 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job vacancy: Science in Society Assistant, Fixed term, British Science Association To: [log in to unmask] Ah, freelance journalism. Such an easy field for people without connections to break into. Really, why does anyone complain about the lack of jobs when we could all just be doing that? "For those that don't/wouldn't on the grounds that the pay is too low, that's their choice too." - this sentence is ridiculous. People don't 'choose' to not be able to supplement their income. That's the point. Cheers Martha On 28 June 2012 15:04, Ben Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote: People, can we please give it a rest? The job is there for people who want to apply for it. For those that don't/wouldn't on the grounds that the pay is too low, that's their choice too. But at least it's better than an unpaid internship, and I speak as someone who interned for six weeks in Geneva, which is miles more expensive than London. Oh, and by the way, I paid for it through freelance journalism, not 'mummy and daddy's money.' Cheers, Ben. Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:59:30 +0100 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job vacancy: Science in Society Assistant, Fixed term, British Science Association To: [log in to unmask] Glad to hear that you will "look at the feasibility of offering positions at the London living wage". I hope this is a real commitment, as it is extremely important. Obviously I'd much rather there was no difference between a minimum wage in London and the London Living Wage, as providing a level of income for employees that enables them to survive in the city in which they are required to live should not be an optional thing that employers can 'look at the feasibility' of. If you're aiming to employ students and you have any interest at all in making that job accessible for people from different backgrounds, you should be paying significantly more than the London Living Wage. I don't know if you've heard, but students are already facing quite a lot of debt and, as many of them cannot work full-time during the academic year, they need not just to survive but to save during their holidays. On 28 June 2012 14:43, Emily Pritchard <[log in to unmask]> wrote: No, no, you're mistaken. There's no overdraft. Mummy and Daddy will pay for that, and no student let because Daddy will let them stay in his pad in the city. On 28/06/2012 14:40, Cathy Baldwin wrote: Well put Adam, absolutely agree. Dr Cathy Baldwin, [log in to unmask] Post Doctoral Associate, Institute of Social and Cultural Anthropology, University of Oxford http://www.anthro.ox.ac.uk/about-us/affiliates-emeriti-research-fellows/dr-cathy-baldwin/ ________________________________________ From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of adam mussett [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 28 June 2012 14:33 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job vacancy: Science in Society Assistant, Fixed term, British Science Association A student in their holidays Have you looked at the current price of student let's? add a months travel card, food and the inevitable "networking" and I think any student would be digging into their overdraft Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Toby Shannon<[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:24:50 To:<[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job vacancy: Science in Society Assistant, Fixed term, British Science Association Dear All, Whilst we do take the point that minimum wage is far from ideal, we think it's preferable to offer this position in this way rather than remove a potential stepping stone to a career in sci-com for someone who could really benefit from it. We fully understand that it may not appeal to some freelancers, or people looking for more permanent work. However we feel that it can still offer an attractive prospect to someone just entering the field, or looking for a complete career change. The timings also mean it would work very well for a student in their summer holidays, and the experience it provides for someone completely new to the field is a benefit above other available minimum-wage work. 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