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Dianne I have just finished a project with Plymouth on Adult Returners - arguably those 'not clever enough' first time round - though this project shows exactly how wrong that label is. Just because you don't clear the A level hurdle doesn't mean you can't make it. Many mature students get first class degrees from first class institutions. http://www.hestem-sw.org.uk/project?id=44&pp=368 There are a mixture of men and women showing that retuning to education and a STEM career is an issue of interest to many and as the 24 stories tell, in as many different reasons and experiences. Follow up work by Tracey Sweet from South Devon College is producing some materials and exercises on how to use these videos for awareness and training. We'll post links when ready but do let your HE widening participation and diversity office know of the link! Cheers Jan On 18 June 2012 15:10, dianne stilwell <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hmmm - I worry about "not clever enough". Surely, as with most things in > life, there is room in the really broad church of science , engineering and > technology for the clever - and the not so clever. I think role models have > to be achievable - "someone like me" and so maybe we don't always want the > leaders, the clever, or the good-looking as role models, but the ones who > have made good - and good as defined as all sorts of things - career, > family, travel, but above all enthusiasm. Ages ago I remember Averil > MacDonald (are you out there Averil?) telling me she was collecting case > studies of 'failures' - those who had gone on to have interesting careers > despite poor A levels, not going to uni, dropping out or whatever - on the > grounds that kids were more likely to relate to them than someone who'd got > straight A's, a first and then a PhD no sweat. > > Dianne > > > Dianne Stilwell > 88 Munster Road > Teddington > Middx TW11 9LW > > +44 (0)20 8977 6510 > +44 (0)7957 200214 > [log in to unmask] > > > On 18 Jun 2012, at 14:22, Courtney Williams wrote: > > Emily: Or they come from socio-economic backgrounds that don't allow them > to get a realistic view of scientific careers beyond what's presented in > the media. Don't equate that with "not clever enough" - that same media > does that enough already. > > Sheila: Sadly, that is idealistic. 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