Dear Jero and dear all,
while I agree with Manuel Albers that many articles requests seem not to have been preceeded by a personal accurate research, I also totally agree with you that 'complaints about this sound to me like a middle-class gentleman complaining at the people asking for coins in the streets'.
I often suffer for a sort of 'anglo-american and western europe' ethnocentric point of view that this list has not on research topics, but on researchers lives and their work practice (such as the way to access an article).
I paste a personal reply to Manuel sent - oh God, 2 months ago! How long this debate will further go on? We should write something for a journal about that!
Sorry (to every one) about my English. Hope you have understood me.
Cheers,
Chiara
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Da: [log in to unmask]
Data: 24/02/2012 16.06
A: <[log in to unmask]>
Ogg: R: Re: Re: on all the paper requests on this list
Yeah. I understood that you were just trying to limit the abuse of the practice of just asking for an article without EVEN trying to search for it! And I agree with you, actually.
On this issue (using the mailing list to ask for articles) we might end up with two kind of generalisation:
1. people use the list to ask for articles just to simplifies their research lives, but they could do otherwise. This kind of use should be limited.
2. the list is helpful in semplifying our lives of researches. Among the many that use the list to ask for articles even if they can do otherwise, there's researchers that really cannot. Let's be a bit permissive on this withouth questioning any single request, those who really need and those who have not.
I am a bit more for this second attitude.
Secondly, I often suffer for a sort of 'anglo-american and western europe' ethnocentric point of view that this list have not on research topics, but on researchers lives and their work practice (such as the way to access an article).
Hope to have been able to express my thought, there's so much loss in translation!
chiara
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Da: [log in to unmask]
Data: 08/06/2012 16.57
A: <[log in to unmask]>
Ogg: A short one on article requests
Dear all,
Once in 2003 at my home town (in Argentina) we asked for suscription to Antipode. The Faculty (where the decission on suscriptions lies) was not subscribed to any international journal of Geography (and it still isn't!). The response of the Faculty was "there is no money".
This is the reality in the huge majority of the world. Therefore, complaints about this sound to me like a middle-class gentleman complaining at the people asking for coins in the streets. Embarrasing, isn't it?
As long as the subject of the email is clear, we all can live with it. We should feel OBLIGUED to share these resources with those who happen to be in poor universities or in universities where the leaders are not interested in Geography.
Cheers,
Jero
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ESRC Post Doctoral Fellow
School of Environment and Development
University of Manchester
Tel: +44 (0)161 275 8688
http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/jeronimo.montero
Latin American Editor for Human Geography
From: A forum for critical and radical geographers [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Hillary Shaw [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 08 June 2012 12:43
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Article r. - P. Hall "Creative cities ..." - GOT IT!
I agree with Matt on this. I've been on crit-geog for about 8 years, and the volume of crit-geog email is seldom excessive, usually in high-single figures per day. Occasionally a topic 'takes off' and we get 30 or more a day; however, so long as the subject heading is kept, we can just delete all relating to a topic we don't want to get into.
As for articles being available elsewhere, I still don't see a problem with also fishing in the crit-geog pool as a parrallel sourcing method. Can be a lot quicker than spending a couple of hours trawling other Internet sources, for a readable / downloadable / printable version that doesn't just give the abstract only.
And some of us can then see what others are researching - and- just occasionally - we might get to build some synergies here too.
Dr Hillary Shaw
Food and Supply Chain Management Department
Harper Adams University College
Newport
Shropshire
TF10 8NB
www.fooddeserts.org
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From: Grace, Matt <[log in to unmask]>
To: CRIT-GEOG-FORUM <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:57
Subject: FW: Article r. - P. Hall "Creative cities ..." - GOT IT!
Dear all,
I am a little reticent to be sticking my head above the parapet on this issue, as it seems to irritate a lot of people. However, since the issue began circulating many months ago, I have been confused as to why requests for articles to the forum cannot be simply ignored if they are not to the readers liking. I understand that members might have issues with the concept of what such a forum 'should' be used for, but as discussion seems to have got us nowhere, perhaps simply ignoring requests which do not interest you is the answer. I personally do not have a problem with requests for papers, but also ignore them when I feel I might not be of any help. Of course, as a PhD student I may be subject to a lot less volume of daily mail in general that other subscribers, but still feel that a few request emails a fortnight does not constitute a particular issue.
Best
Matt
From: A forum for critical and radical geographers [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Manuel Aalbers [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:56 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Article r. - P. Hall "Creative cities ..." - GOT IT!
Dear all,A simple google search shows us that the paper can be downloaded for free at:No subscriptions needed -- and no paper requests by e-mail needed.This is true in roughly half of the paper requests sent to this list over the last few months.Best,Manuel
2012/6/8 Soraia Silva <[log in to unmask]>
Thank you very much.Soraia Silva
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From: Soraia Silva <[log in to unmask]>
Date: 2012/6/8
Subject: Article request - P. Hall "Creative cities and economic development"
To: [log in to unmask]
Hello everyone,Could someone send me this article: Hall, P., "Creative cities and economic development", Urban Studies, 37 (4), 2000, 639-649 ?It's a classical reading for my PhD thesis on urban competitiveness (well, I should have already read it), and my university doesn't have access to the online version of the journal and the printed volume is simply missing from the library (probably stolen, it's not that unusual, unfortunately).
Thank you in advance,Soraia Silva
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Manuel B. Aalbers, Ph.D.
University of Amsterdam
Department of Geography, Planning and International Development Studies
Nieuwe Prinsengracht 130
1018 VZ Amsterdam
The Netherlands
http://home.medewerker.uva.nl/m.b.aalbers/Released April 2012:Subprime Cities: The Political Economy of Mortgage Markets