Hey I could get my next pamphlet Knitted –of course a lot would depend on the type of stitch –wool quality etc last as long as the old Bayeux tapestry-and no dropped stitches

Thanks for idea P

 

From: British & Irish poets [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alec Newman
Sent: 12 June 2012 16:18
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Jamie

 

here is a link to that awful knitted poem  http://www.poetrysociety.org.uk/content/knit/

 

There are orphans with severe burns who want to watch a live performance of Swan Lake before they die, but they spend Arts Council money on this rubbish.  

 

Alec.


Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:39:02 +0100
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PS It's not only me who makes mistakes with names. The tennis player is Christopher "Buster" Mottram, his father is Tony Mottram. (I should know this as I read his book on tennis as a twelve-year-old.)

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From: [log in to unmask]">David Bircumshaw

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: Query

 

PS

Jamie

the anthology is called 'A Century of Poetry Review' and edited by Fiona Sampson. I'm sure you know that really. It does have some 'names' in it, but the overall effect was a numbing dullness. Like everyone else, I've read anthologies I found lacking, but I'd be able to recall what I found wanting afterwards, all I can recall of this was struggling to keep awake on a train just outside Nottingham.

I have no idea when Mahon's poem was rejected - I first saw it referred to a short piece by John Lucas and I have seen it mentioned in PR itself too. Fyi I wasn't too taken by Eric Mottram's PR, altho' I haven't seen every edition he did, I mostly just like the Robin Fulton translations, I presume it was him you meant, not Tony 'Buster' Mottram the former tennis player who, as far as I kow, has never edited PR?

One other thing I did like about the Mottram PR was its size: small. It doesn't try to give an illusion of materiality. When did PR start looking like a coffee table production? Late 80s or early 90s?


On 12 June 2012 12:32, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

No, Jamie, the question isn't hard to understand, unless you wish to be deliberately obtuse. The difficulty in phrasing comes from trying to describe the activities of a cultural bureaucracy.

Who is Tony Mottram?  As for poems of 'lasting significance' I mean work which still has a cultural  'present'; it could be The Whitsun Weddings, Hughes' Crow, Mercian Hymns just as much as say Briggflats or Malcolm Mooney's Land.




On 12 June 2012 11:58, Jamie McKendrick <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

The question's hard to understand - "owe their existence in part" - no wonder it's got tangled up. The Arts Council since 1946 has funded a large number of poets, poetry magazines and presses - the latter from Bloodaxe to Barque. So maybe you ought to say what poetry produced since 1946, if any, you consider to be of "lasting significance".

 

  I haven't read or seen the PR anthology. But if Mahon's 'A Disused Shed in Co. Wexford' was indeed rejected there, that would be down to the editor of that time, presumably Tony Mottram?

  I also haven't ever seen a knitted poem - perhaps they look splendid, like an Alighieri Boetti or a Grayson Perry tapestry?

Jamie

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From: [log in to unmask]">David Bircumshaw

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:46 AM

Subject: Query

 

I wonder if anyone can help me out on this:

which works of poetry considered to be of lasting significance and produced since 1946 owe their existence in part to the Arts Council, or Poetry Review, or, more recently, Apples & Snakes?



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David Joseph Bircumshaw

"We are shallow, mababaw ang kaligayahan."
- F. Sionil José

Website and A Chide's Alphabet
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The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
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--
David Joseph Bircumshaw

"We are shallow, mababaw ang kaligayahan."
- F. Sionil José

Website and A Chide's Alphabet
http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/