Humberto,

Brill has a lot of products online actually. I probably don't make it through a day without using the online version of the Encyclopedia of Islam (via my university's subscription, of course).

- Noah

On 5/21/2012 2:23 AM, HUMBERTO MAGGI wrote:
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Brill will issue an on-line version?
 
That I want to see.
HM

--- Em dom, 20/5/12, Segal, Professor Robert A. <[log in to unmask]> escreveu:

De: Segal, Professor Robert A. <[log in to unmask]>
Assunto: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Brill
Para: [log in to unmask]
Data: Domingo, 20 de Maio de 2012, 16:56

May 20

Dear Morgan and others,

After my prior experience with discussants on this list, I had vowed to quit.  But I have not yet done so, though it will take only one more bullying, ad hominem outburst for me to do so now.    As an academic, I am accustomed to a modicum of civility.  Clearly, others are not.

I am coediting a huge, three-volume VOCABULARY FOR THE STUDY OF RELIGION for Brill.   The project will take at least three years to complete.    The result will be both a print volume, which will be hardback only, and an online version.   I don't know what the cost of either will be.

I do know that the costs of producing the work are not inconsiderable.    Brill is paying the coeditors and contributors and enlists a fulltime, in-house editor, one of whose main responsibilities is managing the VOCABULARY.    I have no idea what the cost of printing the work or putting it online will be, but the amount will not be small.

Brill turns a profit.   Otherwise it would cease to exist.   But other publishers, especially non-scholarly ones, are more focused on making money than Brill.    More commercial publishers who turn out cheap paperbacks are not charities.   How naive can one be?   The nature of the product, not of the motive, accounts for the price.

If Brill, which does not operate blindly, concluded that it could make a profit by selling its publications more cheaply to get bigger sales, it would do so.   Publishes do not set book prices to deter sales.   How naive can one be?

Brill publishes works that might well otherwise not be published.   I cannot imagine what other publisher would undertake to publish the VOCABULARY.   And the VOCABULARY is for academics, and academics affiliated with libraries.   It is not aimed for the self-taught, who can readily find elsewhere sources for their more popular needs.

At the same time Continental academic publishers generally charge lots for their books.   But then some also charge subventions, as do some US publishers.   To my knowledge Brill does not.

Furthermore, Brill is not like Reed Elsevier, for which I once coedited a journal.   Reed Elsevier, together with Springer, publishes journals, especially in medicine and the sciences, that academics simply must read.   These publishers regularly double or triple their prices.   They offer packages of journals to induce libraries to buy everything--on the grounds that individual journals thereby cost much less.   A library can still purchase a single journal, but the cost is so much higher that libraries tend to give up and take the package.

I am not aware of anything comparable with Brill.   As superb as many of its publications are, no one MUST read them.   And the prices do not go up geometically.

I am honored to be coediting a major reference work for Brill, which should be respected rather than castigated for what it does.


Robert Segal

University of Aberdeen


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From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic [[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Morgan Leigh [[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:46 AM
To: [log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Looking for a publisher for translation of al-Buni's Great Sun of Gnoses

I had a big rant on the Pagan Studies list about this issue recently, so
here I will just say...

They all 'say' they are largely unconcerned with making money, and many
deny they make money when they are raking it in. See here for info on
this and to sign the boycott of Elsevier!

http://thecostofknowledge.com

Regards,

Morgan Leigh
PhD Candidate
School of Sociology and Social Work
University of Tasmania

On 20/05/2012 2:15 AM, HUMBERTO MAGGI wrote:
> Brill's price are an insult. How that connects to they being "largely
> unconcerned with making money" is a mystery for me.
>
> HM
>
> --- Em *sáb, 21/4/12, Christopher I. Lehrich /<[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>/* escreveu:
>
>
>     De: Christopher I. Lehrich <[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>
>     Assunto: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Looking for a publisher for
>     translation of al-Buni's Great Sun of Gnoses
>     Para: [log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
>     Data: Sábado, 21 de Abril de 2012, 14:53
>
>     If it's a sufficiently scholarly translation, you might try Brill.
>     They publish a lot of important texts within Islamic history, and
>     they're largely unconcerned with making money.
>
>     Chris Lehrich
>
>     On 4/20/2012 11:36 AM, N.W. Azal wrote:
>>     The current Beirut printed edition of al-Buni and its reprints
>>     runs over 616 pages (not including index and table of
>>     contents/fihrist). The 2004 Turkish annotated translation and
>>     edition was divided into two massive volumes of over 2000/3000+
>>     pages per volume. Serializing al-Buni is totally unfeasible, if
>>     one were to do it properly, that is. There are four books here
>>     with over 50+ chapters and numerous sub-divisions (as of the
>>     printed edition, although no consensus exists on the chapter
>>     divisions or its sub-divisions. All of these were added later).
>>     Plus there are countless diagrams, graphs and pictures. A project
>>     such as this would have to to be done much like (and even better
>>     than) how Llewelyn did Agrippa's /De occulta philosophia/ -- and
>>     al-Buni's /Great Sun of Gnoses /is twice, three times Agrippa's
>>     size. The daunting scope of this project is what, I suspect, has
>>     scared off a few publishers I have been speaking to over the years.
>>
>>     N.W. Azal
>>
>>     On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Karen Gregory
>>     <[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask] </mc/compose?to=[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>>
>>     wrote:
>>
>>         Hello all:
>>
>>         I passed the email to a friend at CUP and their response was:
>>
>>         "I've been finding that even books on Islamic science are
>>         rather specialized. The British have done more in your
>>         friend's area. Kegan Paul (whom we used to distribute) and
>>         Brill would be worth trying. Alternatively, the translation
>>         could be serialized in the journal he mentions. Or even
>>         excerpts, which might generate more interest among presses.
>>
>>         Hope this helps.
>>
>>         Best,
>>
>>         Karen
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Daniel Harms
>>         <[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
>>         </mc/compose?to=[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>>             I’ll add that a request for the Shams al-Maarif in English
>>             is one of the top trending and most commented posts on my
>>             blog, so there is substantial interest.
>>
>>
>>
>>             Sincerely,
>>
>>
>>
>>             Dan Harms
>>
>>             Bibliographer and Instructional Services Librarian
>>
>>             SUNY Cortland Memorial Library
>>             P. O. Box 2000
>>
>>             Cortland, NY 13045
>>
>>             (607) 753-4042
>>
>>
>>
>>             *From:*Society for The Academic Study of Magic
>>             [mailto:[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
>>             </mc/compose?to=[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>] *On
>>             Behalf Of *Dr Dave Evans
>>
>>
>>             *Sent:* Friday, April 20, 2012 10:37 AM
>>             *To:* [log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
>>             </mc/compose?to=[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>
>>             *Subject:* Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Looking for a
>>             publisher for translation of al-Buni's Great Sun of Gnoses
>>
>>
>>
>>             one of the many reasons i love this list : )
>>
>>             Dave E
>>
>>             On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 5:08 PM, mandrake
>>             <[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
>>             </mc/compose?to=[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>>             On 20/04/2012 13:57, Lil Osborn wrote:
>>
>>             many thanks for plug
>>             - yes would certainly be interested personally and
>>             professionally
>>             mogg
>>             contacted Nima off linst
>>
>>             Hi Nima, Have you tried Mandrake I know Mogg is on the list.
>>
>>
>>
>>             Much love
>>
>>             Lil
>>
>>             Sent from my iPhone so please excuse the spelling.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             On 20 Apr 2012, at 11:59, "N.W. Azal"
>>             <[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
>>             </mc/compose?to=[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>>                 My attempt to find a reputable publisher for my
>>                 translation of al-Buni's opus magnum, the /Shams
>>                 al-Ma'arif al-Kubra/ (The Great Sun of Gnoses), seems
>>                 to be going nowhere. Generally speaking, even though
>>                 there is now a journal dealing with occultism in the
>>                 Islamic world, most Anglophone publishers seem to be
>>                 uninterested in publishing a translation of the most
>>                 comprehensive Islamic hermetic text, claiming it to
>>                 be, in the words of one outfit, "too arcane an area to
>>                 prove a lucrative investment"; this, while there seems
>>                 to be huge demand from a market of non-Arabic readers
>>                 for a translation of this specific work.
>>
>>                 I am open to suggestions as to who to talk to if
>>                 anyone has any ideas or contacts.
>>
>>                 N.W. Azal
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         --
>>         Karen Gregory
>>         PhD candidate
>>         Department of Sociology
>>         The Graduate Center
>>         City University of New York
>>
>>
>
>     --
>     Christopher I. Lehrich
>     Assistant Professor of Religion
>     Boston University
>

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Noah Gardiner
Doctoral candidate, Dept. of Near Eastern Studies
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor