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Interesting question. I'm left-handed and I actually tend to whip things clockwise - I think from unconsciously imitating my right-handed parents. I'm a good cook, but my kitchen skills are miserable and I tend to leave everything like chopping and peeling to my right-handed husband. A lot of kitchen things are subtly right-hand biased - everything from peelers to can-openers to even certain kinds of cutting boards. I don't know about other lefties, but I've adopted at least some of those biases unconsciously in the kitchen and other places (my handwriting's ghastly) and, as a result am not a dexterous (pun intended) person. Erica From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tom Johnson Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:15 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Is the direction of circumambulation affected by hemisphere? Sabina: If someone in the family (assuming they weren't exposed as infants for being "other") was left-handed, would they have been under the same regulation? I tend to think we whip cream clockwise because our strong hand is the right, and to beat the cream in the opposing direction would be too awkward, being toward the chest rather than away. Do those who are lefthanded here whip cream in different directions? And what is the Italian for counterclockwise? Verso sinestra? Enjoying the speculation! Tom From: "Magliocco, Sabina" <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Is the direction of circumambulation affected by hemisphere? Pitch, You're absolutely right: I, too, only learned the terms "deosil" and "widdershins" from literature: the former when I began to study modern Paganisms, while the latter, oddly, from a children's book. The terminology that was used to admonish me on my stirring was "verso destra" (to the right, meaning clockwise). You can see how this would work if you imagine yourself whipping cream or eggs in a bowl, as your hand would move towards the right. So this also links up with European/ Western associations of right with good and left with "sinister," backwards or inauspicious. This analogy is harder to argue when dancing, because the circle moves to the participants' left. Still, the line or circle as a whole is turning towards the right. What I'd like to know is whether the indigenous peoples of the southern hemisphere had beliefs and practices about the "correct" or preferred form of movement for everyday activities being to the left. Best, Sabina Sabina Magliocco Professor Department of Anthropology California State University - Northridge [log in to unmask] ________________________________________ From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pitch [[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:19 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Is the direction of circumambulation affected by hemisphere? Aloha, On 5/16/2012 11:41 AM, Magliocco, Sabina wrote: >This is essentially correct. In European folklore, deosil movement has positive >associations, and widdershins negative ones. [edit] Thus, widdershins movement is >popularly understood as a symbolic inversion of deosil movement -- something that >undoes good outcomes, or that is performed by beings in a counter-world. >It makes sense that this general tendency was incorporated into Craft fairly early on, >since it was part of the habitus of its creators. It doesn't mean, however, that we are >bound by that tradition forever. My uncertain recollection is that I learned the association of clockwise/sunwise rotation from my family (who'd immigrated from Northern Europe, the British Isles, mostly). And from child's play sources, most likely several years of "folk" dancing classes at summer day camps (pointedly multi-cultural across European, American, and Asian dances, but probably not all that authentic as to form and execution). But I'm pretty sure that I learned the terminological pairing--"deosil- widdershins"--from book sources. I want to say from some science fiction or fantasy book, since I was an avid fan. But it also could have been from some popular book on witchcraft and magic, more of which I read than most of my hometown age mates. But nobody ever uttered those terms in my hearing then. Not even the person who first taught me lots about magical practices. The association of prosperous and good outcomes with clockwise/ sunwise movement seems to be much more widespread in the popular culture of Western America than the particular "deosil"/"widdershins" terminology. I imagine that this equally holds true for European immigrants to the Southern Hemisphere. My question is--Did not-so-magically-motivated rotational movements such as those Sabina mentioned--cooking, folk dance, and the like-- alter in the Southern Hemisphere? Or is the circumambulation problem limited to magical or religious contexts? Musing Which Way To Turn? Rose, Pitch