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It is so true. Why in heavens "aesthetic of process" have to be associated exclusively to digital and/or computational? Are analogue aesthetical objects deprived form it? Or they fit into a sort of "aesthetic of becoming" or "aesthetic of ontogenesis"? Am I getting old? Guilherme Kujawski -----Mensagem original----- De: Curating digital art - www.crumbweb.org [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Em nome de Paul Brown Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de abril de 2012 21:03 Para: [log in to unmask] Assunto: [SPAM:68%] Re: [NEW-MEDIA-CURATING] The New Aesthetic: Sterling continues... An aesthetic of process (versus an aesthetic of the object) predates the computer/media arts and was implicit in the dialogues of Fluxus, Art Language, Arte Povera, Kinetics, Systems Art, etc.... and date back to Surrealism, Dada, Apollinaire, Darwin and beyond. Many of us, using computers back in the early days were very aware we were building on an established tradition when we first explored the possibilities of code and generative art in the 1960's and 70's. Best Paul On 20/04/2012, at 5:12 AM, Sarah Cook wrote: > Goodness. Another long rant on wired, like a curate's egg, good and bad in parts. > > But finally someone has said out loud that, > "The appreciation of generative art requires an aesthetics of process." > ""Generative art" is not the be-all and end-all of art, or design, or engineering, or coding, or architecture. It's an approach, a technique, and a mode of perception." > > which, frankly, is what some of us have been saying more generally about new media art (in relation to Art with a capital A) for quite some time now. > > I like Olia's quip retold by Sterling that the new aesthetic is new media without the media. which isn't exactly saying that it is only new either. > But I also especially like Saul's comments - and Michael's and Honor's - which have followed on this list, which tease these things out a little further, agreeing that it is not worth discounting the new aesthetic for not being new, but rather to consider how it sits, both looking back _and_ looking forward -- so I wonder, for instance, about the show BitStreams at the Whitney Museum from 2001, could we look back and see the work in that show through the lens of the new aesthetic? Is there scope for parallel history telling here - as Roger Malina has suggested? Certainly lots of work in that show was generative, if we are to follow Sterling's lead regarding one of the places the new aesthetic has perhaps come from. > > I also deeply appreciate Armin's and Nick's comments about histories and recouperation strategies (and I wasn't saying there was an art/design dichotomy per se, for the record, I was rather feebly pointing out how new media art has been understood and appreciated sometimes more often across the traditional boundaries present in museums, for example at MoMA, and that there are as a result, for those of us observing these things, sometimes different crowds of interest around works, and therefore different histories which get noted). > > The human and the thing-i-ness of all this -- as art -- still is out there to be described. (maybe that's what, on ten years reflection, I didn't much like about the BitStreams show, the messy human got a little lost in all the digital technical trickery of the glossier works? So there you go Saul, another event to "be jury-rigged and used to prop up New Aesthetics in a longer timeline"?). As Honor said "Aesthetics and art are not interchangeable concepts" and yet a problem with histories of new media art is that the works in question have not been often considered as 'art' because they perhaps didn't spend as much time engaging in aesthetic debates, as in social/political/technical/economic ones, which is often what good art does best. > > running out of steam... someone take over! > Sarah > > > On 19 Apr 2012, at 18:36, Dennis Moser wrote: > >> More from Mr. Sterling today: >> >> http://www.wired.com/beyond_the_beyond/2012/04/generation-generator-new-aesthetic/ >> >> Best, >> >> Dennis >> >> ~~ >> If your first move is brilliant, you're in trouble. You don't really know >> how to follow it; you're frightened of ruining it. So, to make a mess is a >> good beginning. - Brian Eno > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Dr. Sarah Cook > Reader > MA Curating Module Leader > > University of Sunderland > Faculty of Arts, Design and Media > Ashburne House, Ryhope Road > Sunderland, UK > SR2 7EF > t: +44 191 515 2134 > email: [log in to unmask] > > The Curatorial Resource for Upstart Media Bliss > www.crumbweb.org > > See our exhibitions! > > Mirror Neurons, including work by Michael Snow, Catherine Richards, Simon Pope, Thomson&Craighead and Scott Rogers, at the National Glass Centre at the University of Sunderland, on view until 20 May 2012 > http://www.nationalglasscentre.com/whats-on/2012/03/01/mirror-neurons.html > > Joe Winter: A History of Light - Variable Array, at the National Glass Centre at the University of Sunderland until 20 May 2012. > > Read our books! > > Euphoria & Dystopia: The Banff New Media Institute Dialogues (2011) from Banff Centre Press and Riverside Architectural Press > http://www.banffcentre.ca/press/39/euphoria-and-dystopia.mvc > > Rethinking Curating: Art After New Media (2010) from MIT Press > http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=12071 > > A Brief History of Curating New Media Art, and A Brief History of Working with New Media Art (both 2010) from The Green Box, Berlin > http://www.thegreenbox.net ==== Paul Brown - based in OZ Nov 2011 to May 2012 http://www.paul-brown.com == http://www.brown-and-son.com OZ Landline +61 (0)7 3391 0094 == USA fax +1 309 216 9900 OZ Mobile +61 (0)419 72 74 85 == Skype paul-g-brown ==== Synapse Artist-in-Residence - Deakin University http://www.deakin.edu.au/itri/cisr/projects/hear.php Honorary Visiting Professor - Sussex University http://www.cogs.susx.ac.uk/ccnr/research/creativity.html ==== ==== Paul Brown - based in OZ Nov 2011 to May 2012 http://www.paul-brown.com == http://www.brown-and-son.com OZ Landline +61 (0)7 3391 0094 == USA fax +1 309 216 9900 OZ Mobile +61 (0)419 72 74 85 == Skype paul-g-brown ==== Synapse Artist-in-Residence - Deakin University http://www.deakin.edu.au/itri/cisr/projects/hear.php Honorary Visiting Professor - Sussex University http://www.cogs.susx.ac.uk/ccnr/research/creativity.html ==== "Esta mensagem e reservada e sua divulgacao, distribuicao, reproducao ou qualquer forma de uso e proibida e depende de previa autorizacao desta instituicao. 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