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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Terrific -I'll forward it to Ian at Llancarfan. I think Jane Rutherfoord is actually working there at the moment. Test cleaning of small areas elsewhere in the church has certainly suggested surviving paint elsewhere. I'm hoping for the Corporal Acts of Mercy facing the Sins. Directly opposite George there is certainly some paint - I was suggesting they might find a Christopher as it's pretty much facing the door but another martial subject would be more interesting. Keep thinking about Constantine! I've no idea which one -just that the church is Llangwstennin. It's the old parish church on the Orme (but you knw that anyway) Maddy Dr Madeleine Gray PhD, FRHistS Reader in History/ Darllenydd mewn Hanes School of Humanities and Lifelong Learning /Ysgol Ddyniaethau a Dysgu Gydol Oes University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion, Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3QT Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675 'Medical science can make us live to 90. If you haven't got the arts and humanities, what's the point of living to 90?' (Leszek Borysiewicz, VC of Cambridge) ________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Graham Jones [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 23 April 2012 23:31 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] Feasts and Saints of the Day: Apr. 23 medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Dear All The connection between Cadoc and George is late medieval and possibly stems from Cadoc’s name. The late medieval, so-called Welsh Triads named Cadoc as one of the three ‘knights of upright judgment’ and ‘chaste knights’ at the court of King Arthur; one of the ‘three knights that kept the Holy Grail’, and one of three ‘holy bachelors [young unmarried men]’ of the Island of Britain. There was some supposition (how well grounded, I’m not sure) that he was the original of Sir Galahad; medieval legend made St George ‘Our Lady’s Knight’, of course, and celibate. According to legend, Cadoc’s birth-name was Catmael, ‘Lord of Battle’. ‘Cadoc’ is a diminutive meaning ‘one associated with battle’ – or as we might say, ‘fighter’, just the soubriquet for a knight of prowess. Given that the George cycle appears to occupy the (west end?) of the south wall at Llancarfan, it would be interesting to know if it was matched on the north side by another martial subject, St Michael perhaps, with a Cadoc cycle in the chancel. As for Constantine, Maddy, are we talking about the emperor or one of the British Constantines? St Constantine of Cornwall was culted at the southern end of the Welsh border in your own country of Gwent, as you know, but the George connection is escaping me at the mo. I’ll probably wake up with it at 3am... All the best Graham From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Madeleine Gray Sent: 23 April 2012 19:35 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] Feasts and Saints of the Day: Apr. 23 medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Llangattock Lingoed is well worth a visit. Nowhere near the actual Offa's Dyke but on the path (which goes some way west of the monument at that point - allegedly to give a better walk but some of us have a Conspiracy Theory about it). As well as the wall paintings the church has most of the medieval rood screen and a little bit of medieval stained glass. There's a third wall painting of St George in south Wales - at Llanmaes near Cowbridge - and guess what, the church there is also dedicated to St Cadoc. But we can think of no obvious connection. The north Wales depiction is in stained glass, at Llangwstennin. I remember being told some time ago that there was a connection between the cults of Constantine and St George but I can't remember what it was. Maddy Dr Madeleine Gray PhD, FRHistS Reader in History/ Darllenydd mewn Hanes School of Humanities and Lifelong Learning /Ysgol Ddyniaethau a Dysgu Gydol Oes University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion, Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3QT Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675 'Medical science can make us live to 90. If you haven't got the arts and humanities, what's the point of living to 90?' (Leszek Borysiewicz, VC of Cambridge) ________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Cate Gunn [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 23 April 2012 17:03 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [M-R] Feasts and Saints of the Day: Apr. 23 medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I am soon to walk Offa's Dyke, and my guide book has a picture of a wall painting of St George in St Cadoc's church in Llangattock-Lingoed, (not far from Abergavenny) uncovered during renovations in 2003-4 - but judging by the picture in the book nowhere near as well-preserved as the one shown in this link. (I will, nevertheless, drag my husband in to see it) Is there a connection between St George and St Cadoc? Cate On 23 Apr 2012, at 12:39, Madeleine Gray wrote: medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture And on the recent discoveries at Llancarfan (why is this dragon-slaying saint so popular in Wales? You may well ask …) http://www.stcadocs.org.uk/en/home.html and http://www.gowermagazine.com/stcadoc_wallpainting.htm for some more recent pictures of the Sins Maddy Madeleine Gray PhD. FRHistS. Reader in History/ Darllenydd mewn Hanes School of Humanities and Lifelong Learning /Ysgol Ddyniaethau a Dysgu Gydol Oes University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion,Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3QT, Wales/Cymru Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675 "History may not repeat itself, but it rhymes " (attributed to Mark Twain) http://twitter.com/#penrhyspilgrim From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Revd Gordon Plumb Sent: 23 April 2012 12:00 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [M-R] Feasts and Saints of the Day: Apr. 23 medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture St George St Neot, Cornwall, sVIII, St George vwindow: http://www.flickr.com/photos/22274117@N08/4008490466/ Barton upon Humber, St Peter, figure of St George currently in storage with English Heritage: http://www.flickr.com/photos/22274117@N08/4289114596/ Heydour, 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