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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture John Calvin famously used teams of three students to record his sermons: two produced transcripts from which the third produced a fair copy, reconciling the differences on the basis of what he had heard. Then Calvin himself would read it, edit it, and make it part of a bible commentary. His commentaries were thorough (more than 600 sermons on Isaiah alone), yet if he had lived a few years longer he would have been able to cover the entire bible. The practice has roots far earlier than Calvin or Bernard. It seems clear that some of Augustine's sermons, including the recently discovered collection from Carthage, were recorded by stenographers. Whether these were authorized transcripts that were part of an editorial process or just "bootleg recordings" is another question. --John Howe -----Original Message----- From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Christopher Crockett Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:48 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [M-R] Bernie's methods of sermoniacal composition medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture i "accidentally" came across a non-academic discussion of "Information Hoarders" http://www.salon.com/2012/04/25/information_hoarders_salpart/?source=newsletter which happened to contain this interesting Factoid: "Taking notes during sermons started in the Middle Ages. The work of a great sermonist like Bernard of Clairvaux survived because he would plant a secretary in the audience to take notes while he preached. Bernard would finalize his sermon based on these notes and release it for 'publication' by copying." does anyone know where i might find a serious discussion of Bernie's methods for putting together the final, "published" versions of his sermons? i suppose that the subject might be discussed somewhere in Jean Leclercq's "Recueil d’études sur Saint Bernard et ses ecrits" (Rome: Edizioni di Storia e letterature, 1962)? or not? or where? specifically, the historian of the 2nd Crusade, Odo of Deuil, says that Bernie preached a sermon on the third day of the great council which Louis VII assembled in February of 1147 at Etampes, at which Suger was designated to be Regent during the king's absence in the East. (Odo also tells us that the council began on "Circumdederunt Me Sunday.") i am trying --with no success, as yet-- to identify what the subject of that sermon might have been. i can't seem to find a pre-lent sermon which fits in with the Mare's Nest i am trying to construct, so i'm reluctantly coming around to the opinion that this particular sermon was never "published." being severely Sermoniacally Challenged, any thoughts on how i might go about solving this little Conundrum would be greatly appreciated. c ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html