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I also believe that reference to TOTALITY of evidence ( =SR/MA in practice) should be a part of any attempt to define EBM/EBP... 
Ben 

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On Apr v12, 2012, at 7:37 AM, "Jim Walker" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I like Gray's "evidence-based healthcare" rather EBM, because it implies
> that all of the patient's care team (including the patient, lay
> caregivers, and physical therapists) need access to all available
> evidence (annotated for reliability). 
> 
> 
> While EBM is historically understandable, the issue is no longer just
> doctors and evidence (although patients may well expect doctors to be
> the most skillful and reliable interpreters of the evidence).
> 
> 
> Gray, J. (1997). Developing evidence-based health care in the United
> Kingdom. Translating Evidence into Practice, Washington, D.C., [AHCPR].
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> James M. Walker, MD, FACP
> Chief Medical Information Officer
> Geisinger Health System
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>>>> "Ogston, Jena"  04/12/12 6:53 AM >>>
> Neil-
> It was my understanding that EBM referred to the practice of medicine,
> while EBP refers to a particular health care practice.  I teach EBP in
> Physical Therapy.  My apologies I do not have a resource for you at the
> moment.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:56 AM, Neil Pakenham-Walsh, UK <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks David and all,
>> 
>> Has anyone collated the definitions of EBM and/or EBP? Is there a
>> consensus definition?
>> 
>> Many (most) of the definitions that I have seen talk about 'available
>> evidence' but do not make it clear that this means 'all available
>> evidence'. In my understanding, EBP is fundamentally about cumulation
> of
>> evidence (usually in the form of systematic reviews). I hear, very
> often,
>> health professionals, researchers and others worldwide apply
> erroneously
>> the term EBP to include practice that is supported by a single
> research
>> study that the practitioner has identified.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> Neil
>> 
>> At 20:03 11/04/2012, you wrote:
>> 
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>>>>     The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine is always happy to link
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> be
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>>>> 
>>>>     Olive
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