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Dear Diana, I am also be very interested in the studies. Look forward to their details. Margaret Pate Esperto Linguistico, Centro Linguistico, Politecnico di Torino, Italy _____ Da: European Association for the Teaching of Academic Writing - discussions [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Per conto di Gabrielatos, Costas Inviato: venerdì 30 marzo 2012 16.57 A: [log in to unmask] Oggetto: Re: Writing articles in English Dear Diana I'd be very interested in reading the studies you mention. Could you post their details? Thank you Costas ----------------------------------------------------- Dr Costas Gabrielatos Linguistics and English Language C04, County South, Lancaster University Lancaster, LA1 4YL, UK www.ling.lancs.ac.uk/profiles/305/ _____ From: Dr. Diana A. Taylor <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, 30 March 2012, 15:45 Subject: Re: Writing http://bl166w.blu166.mail.live.com/mail/#articles in English Dear Christian, sorry to contradict your statements. The experience in UK and US is that academics in these countries have enormous difficulties in expressing themselves clearly in a scientific way. This costs their institutions and the research industry where these academics work enormous amount of money to fix. This is known from research conducted in these countries. The results of this research is that academics in these countries do not receive the required level of education in the use of English as an academic means of communication during their university education. That is, according to this research, by no means do "they come equipped with at least a basic faculty in this area". That is why universities in UK and US have installed the Teaching of Academic Writing. This has nothing to do with native speaking. Concerning other countries, their scientists must learn like their collegaues in UK and US to use their native language for academic writing. Making a translation in any other language, including the English one, is then not the issue. Have a nice day Diana Diana A. Taylor <http://graphics.hotmail.com/greypixel.gif> PhD Nuclear Physics (Hamburg, Berlin, Dresden) & MSc in Pharmaceutical Information Management (London) - Germany, Poland, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Hungary, Czech, Russia, UK, South Africa & USA Member DIA & EMWA - english - german - russian - polish - bulgarian For a quick glance: <http://about.me/healthywords> http://about.me/healthywords For more details: http://healthywords.wordpress.com <http://healthywords.wordpress.com/> For latest news: <http://twitter.com/HEALTHYWORDS> http://twitter.com/HEALTHYWORDS since 2000: Conference Speaker, University Lecturer, Workshop Leader, Author, Mentor... * pharmaceutical training institute uk * uniklinikum heidelberg * mentorinnennetzwerk biozentrum uni frankfurt am main * institute for international research frankfurt am main * phocus basel * international Max Planck research school frankfurt am main * drug information association * marcus evans conferences berlin * tectum publishers marburg * PAREXEL Akademie berlin * informa life sciences london * charité universitätsmedizin berlin * uni mainz * berliner-seminare * tshwane university of technology * university of the orange free state south africa * university of south africa unisa * university of pretoria * university of wales uk * _____ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:05:49 +0200 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Fwd: Re: Writing http://bl166w.blu166.mail.live.com/mail/#articles in English To: [log in to unmask] Dear Diana, I agree with you that "good scientific thinking" is an essential prerequisite to scientific writing. However, the ability to express these thoughts effectively (and in science (at least in Natural Sciences, Engineering, Biomed) this means in English) also requires linguistic capabilities. For native English speakers this may not be so obvious, as they come equipped with at least a basic faculty in this area. For scientists of other mother tongues it can be extremely frustrating not to be able to communicate their science to the appropriate audience. In fact, not being able to express yourself in English prevents you from becoming a scientist in the first place in most countries I know of. Christian Brösamle -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Writing http://bl166w.blu166.mail.live.com/mail/#articles in English Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 09:16:28 +0000 From: Dr. Diana A. Taylor <mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: Dr. Diana A. Taylor <mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Dear James, could you please give me a few points for my better understanding of the issue you are working on. Why are you elevating the English language to a ultimate prerequisit for writing articles (I assume scientific ones) in English. I would appreciate a note from you very much since I am teaching scientific writing at university and for the pharmaceutical industry. My lectures and seminars are in English but that is the only connection to this language because good scientific writing comes from good scientific thinking and not from English speaking. I look forward to your communication on your project. Kind regards Diana Diana A. Taylor <http://graphics.hotmail.com/greypixel.gif> PhD Nuclear Physics (Hamburg, Berlin, Dresden) & MSc in Pharmaceutical Information Management (London) - Germany, Poland, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Hungary, Czech, Russia, UK, South Africa & USA Member DIA & EMWA - english - german - russian - polish - bulgarian For a quick glance: <http://about.me/healthywords> http://about.me/healthywords For more details: http://healthywords.wordpress.com <http://healthywords.wordpress.com/> For latest news: <http://twitter.com/HEALTHYWORDS> http://twitter.com/HEALTHYWORDS since 2000: Conference Speaker, University Lecturer, Workshop Leader, Author, Mentor... * pharmaceutical training institute uk * uniklinikum heidelberg * mentorinnennetzwerk biozentrum uni frankfurt am main * institute for international research frankfurt am main * phocus basel * international Max Planck research school frankfurt am main * drug information association * marcus evans conferences berlin * tectum publishers marburg * PAREXEL Akademie berlin * informa life sciences london * charité universitätsmedizin berlin * uni mainz * berliner-seminare * tshwane university of technology * university of the orange free state south africa * university of south africa unisa * university of pretoria * university of wales uk *american university bulgaria * Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:50:07 +0100 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Writing articles in English To: [log in to unmask] Writing articles in English when English is not your first language. My colleague Vera Sheridan and I are preparing a list of articles on this topic that focus on personal/experiential accounts of writing and publishing in English, written by authors from different countries. We would be most grateful if you could alert us to any such accounts that you are aware of, and particularly to any written by yourself! Many thanks James Hartley School of Psychology Keele University Staffordshire http://www.keele.ac.uk/psychology/people/hartleyjames/