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How should they ? They have no clue which of the 20 datasets was actually useful to solve your structure. If you ask James Holton he has (suggested) to go back to the archived data after a certain time and try to solve the undeposited structures then :-) [Where is James anyhow ? Haven't seen a post recently from him] Seriously, I think it is in our own interest to submit the corresponding images which led to a structure solution somewhere. And as others mentioned bad data or good data can always serve for educational purposes. Just as an example http://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/xdswiki/index.php/1Y13 Jürgen On Apr 5, 2012, at 11:46 PM, aaleshin wrote: > Alright, if the image deposition is the only way out, then I am for it, but please make sure that synchrotrons will do it for me... > > On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.) wrote: > >> Ojweh.... >> >>> c) Discarding your primary data is generally considered bad form... >> Agreed, but it is a big burden on labs to maintain archives of their raw >> data indefinitely. >> Even IRS allows to discard them after some time. >> >> But you DO have to file in the first place, right? How long to keep is an >> entirely different question. >> >>> What is wrong with partially integrated data in terms of structure >> validation? >> >> Who thinks something is wrong with that idea? Section 3.1 under figure 3 of >> said incendiary pamphlet >> states: '...yadayada....when unmerged data or images for proper >> reprocessing are not available >> owing to the unfortunate absence of a formal obligation to deposit unmerged >> intensity data or diffraction images.' >> >>> They did not generate the bad data. >> This is a genuine American thinking! >> >> Ok, the US citizens on BB might take this one up on my behalf, gospodin ;-) >> видеть вас на Лубянке. >> >>> But they might create conditions that would prevent their deposition. >> >> Sure. We are back to the 2007 Reid shoe bomber argument. If you make PDB >> deposition >> a total pain for everybody, you don't get compliance, you get defiance. Ever >> seen >> any happy faces in a TSA check line? >> >> Anyhow, image deposition will come. >> >> Over and out, BR >> >> ...................... Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute 615 North Wolfe Street, W8708 Baltimore, MD 21205 Office: +1-410-614-4742 Lab: +1-410-614-4894 Fax: +1-410-955-2926 http://web.mac.com/bosch_lab/